To change to an S2

[Peter Empson]

I have the SciVision MAF on my car, I think that www.deutschnine.com sell the latest version of this. I'd combine it with one of the Promax chip unless you want to get someone like Chipwizards to do a proper rolling road remap (which will be quite a lot more costly, and best only considered once you've done all the likely mods you might want to).

I'd also suggest looking at www.vitesseracing.com who will do a MAF for you and I'm sure can provide a chip to suit, it will probably be a bit more expensive but it's a more advanced solution and the after sales is second to none in my experience.

Installation is pretty straight forward (I think the Scivision is a little simpler 'plug and play' than the Vitesse), definately possible to DIY quite easily, or get a garage to spend an hour or so doing it for you.

You will get much better throttle response from the MAF, so the car will feel much more responsive and the chip will bring better part throttle reactions (much nicer to drive) and I'd expect an improved torque curve too. In terms of perceived improvements I'd expect it to knock years off the way the car drives.

 

[AntB]

Do like the sound of the Promax chip.. Is this the correct one:

http://www.promaxmotorsport.co.uk/Products/70-performance-chip-944-27-lux-28pin.aspx

Its only (and I use the word 'only' losely) £86+vat.

Is there a need to solder etc? whats involved in the fitting of these Promax chips?

*hovering over the Buy button* []

 

[Mike_Pollock]

Ukmasstif - talk to Peter about supercharging - I've been in his!

If the 2.7 is as good as you say, I'd definatly stay with it. I've only driven one S2 and while it is most certainly faster/quicker and has better toys etc than my 2.5, I'm with Paul.

One rider - if it is an everyday or only car then the better toys may swing it.

Mike

 

[MRGT]

ORIGINAL: AntB

Is there a need to solder etc? whats involved in the fitting of these Promax chips?

*hovering over the Buy button* []

Fitting is easy, just remove the ECU from the passenger footwell, place on a workbench and follow the instructions Promax provide, no soldering involved []

I have a Promax chip in my 'S' and it definately feels better to me, I keep intending to carry out a back to back RR run to test it against the stock version. I will get round to it one day.

Howard

 

[StuK]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

Sorry, I don't agree Paul! I find the S2 considerably faster from A to B... I can only attribute that to the different roads we are using the cars on - the S2 isn't as nimble as the Lux around windy A and B roads of Dorset, but on my mainstay - the A30, A303, M3, M4 (A4 prefered most of the time) the S2 would blow the doors off my old Lux... I'll qualify that further by saying "if both were being pushed"... and it isn't often you can push either of them... if you know what I mean!

I agree that on unrestricted roads an S2 would be faster. Fact is, in the UK the Perodua Nippa is as fast as a Veyron on the motorway. Even if one were to accept that some people push the speed limits a bit, I'd suggest that most normal people would consider about 80-85MPH to be the most they'd regularly cruise at. My Lux was exactly equally as fast as my S2 at 85MPH. [&:]

My experience would be, for example, a convoy run to Cornbury House with Rick and John; both of whom have at least double the power of the Lux, along with massive brakes, tyres etc. We'd be using motorway, fast a-roads and some pretty decent b-roads, and invariably we'd all arrive together. Sometimes I had to be pushing the Lux harder to keep up, obviously if they decided to do a "launch" on the motorway I was going to be left behind for a few seconds, but the Lux always got there. The S2 gets left behind in the same places, as they still have nearly double the power.

In the real world you can only drive, safely and responsibly, at speeds a Lux is easily capable of. Being lighter, and having less rubber, I genuinely think it was more fun than my S2. It's subjective, I know, but just my view. With the OP's question in mind, I'd want him to try an S2 against his current Lux before buying in case he felt the same as me.

Would I go back to the Lux? Interesting point. No, but only because the S2 has the leather, ABS etc., and is a more civilised drive. In hindsight, I'd restore the Lux.

Paul - sounds to me like you want VJ back, wanna swap?[]

 

[tref]

I maintain they each have their place - they are three very different machines (NA/S2/Turbo) That happen to share the same MMI (Man-Machine Interface).

Somebody mentioned they'd rather have the toys of the S2... I only see extra complexity! ABS and central locking are extra I guess... but other than that, they all just do the same job but differently. Styling is subjective...

Maybe it is easy for me to say with the choice of an S2 or Turbo to play with... but I still hanker after an early Lux... would I trade? No... I've grown attached to the S2, and I'm just being greedy - I want as well as, not instead of!

 

[sulzeruk]

I'm with you Tref, I would like an early square dash Lux, I like the round dials! I get a bit sick of seeing oval dash cars!
Alasdair

 

[AntB]

... my 2.7 Lux has all the toys too:
Full A/C
Central Locking
Rear Wiper
Full Electric Seats
Split Rear Seats
ABS

So trim spec not an issue.

My decision is to get a Promax chip and see what that brings

EDIT: Oh and the better front PU [8D]

 

[morris944s2john]

" david924s

If you want more power and the option to upgrade to even more power buy a late 250bhp Turbo, if you want easy decent power and plenty of torque buy an S2.

When I changed from my 924S I bought an S2 as I knew if I got a turbo I would end up spending all my money making it go faster than I can really use in the real world.  It was also much newer and in far better condition than turbos of the same price for obvious reasons so I got an S2 bit disappointed at first at the performance until you look at the speedo and realise you are going a lot faster than you think, so easy to drive fast but also easy to drive quickly and lazily no need to keep it buzzing over 4000rpm indeed if you are not in a rush you can almost drive it like a diesel and 27mpg round town 33+ on a long run."

This is a good assessment of the differences. I have never driven a lux or 924s but have tried turbo's and S2's. I agree, the S2 is quick above or below 4000rpm, keep it above and the car flies and below 3000rpm, drive on the torque and you hardly have to change gear. I read one review where the journalist compared the S2's 4 cylinder 3L engine as being so large and toquey for a 4 -clylinder that such flexibillity in a 4-cyl has not been experienced since the days of Edwardian cars!
[:-][]

You can literally drive off in 3rd gear and up to 90mph without changing up!

 

[Peter Empson]

ORIGINAL: AntB

... my 2.7 Lux has all the toys too:
Full A/C
Central Locking
Rear Wiper
Full Electric Seats
Split Rear Seats
ABS

So trim spec not an issue.

My decision is to get a Promax chip and see what that brings

EDIT: Oh and the better front PU [8D]

Well that's clearly where you're going wrong, get rid of all that excess baggage and revel in the resulting improved dynamics []

 

[morris944s2john]

I agree with those hankering after a square dash lux. The classic car world (which 944's are on the verge of entering) is a funny place and often the earliest, slowest, most primitive version becomes the most collectable and ultimately has the highest value.

I'd love to restore a very early 944 lux.

 

[tref]

ORIGINAL: AntB

... my 2.7 Lux has all the toys too:
Full A/C
Central Locking
Rear Wiper
Full Electric Seats
Split Rear Seats
ABS

So trim spec not an issue.

My decision is to get a Promax chip and see what that brings

EDIT: Oh and the better front PU [8D]

That is one well speced car - on that basis, I'd keep hold of it - oh - and I agree on the fron PU too!

 

[barks944]

A chip made a big difference to my lux. You might consider taking it for a full re-map with say Wayne at chip wizards.

 

[AntB]

Promax chip ordered for next day delivery

 

[Copperman05]

Ant are you going to the fatboys meet on Sat? Would be good to see you and your car there if you are...

Edd

 

[AntB]

I cant Edd this week.. Meeting up with the in-laws for Fathers day Sat, and my folks on Sun..




Its arrived!! my chip, has arrived... Cant wait to get home and bung it in and try now!!

 

[jasonp]

hiya ant, if you able to get to fat-boys sat after 2pm. you are more then welcome to drive my s2 so you can get some sort of idea re power etc, regards jason p ps just read your reply to edd but offers still there if you want to pop over to wanstead e11 at some point, regards jason p

 

[pauljmcnulty]

You're also welcome to have a go in mine, I'm just outside High Wycombe so easy from Ashford. []

 

[Gavin944s2]

If your anything like me . I will not part with my present car to repalce it with what may be a s/h risk, if not 101% sure. I am a design /develpment engineer by trade with hand on job testing. But......you can go with gut feel & check the usual U.K deterioration spots. When happy with my new purchace ( The best i can afford) then & only the the last gem goes up for sale, with no rush to sell, but to get the value its worth.

 

[333pg333]

Not to push the turbo barrow unecessarily, but from what I understand you can buy a pretty nicely modded 951 for eg $6k. What would you get if you sold your 2.7?