2.7 or S

[daro911]

Have been using a brand new 2.7 loaner car for the past few days / 300 miles and IMO as great as the 2.7 Boxster is I personally would rather have the extra uuumph and six speed box of a basic "S" over a similarly priced but toy loaded 2.7

From reading the used car ads I think I am in the minority with this view but I find the 2.7 just lacks that little extra thrill factor readily available in the bigger engined version, which could easily handle another 50 bhp which could be here by MY 17

I Shall stand back and wait for the sh*t to h*t the fan [][]

 

[JCB..]

ORIGINAL: daro911I Shall stand back and wait for the sh*t to h*t the fan [][]

Robert

As this has been debated so many times before I can't help but wonder why you feel the need to rake it up again.

When is it that you feel you need the extra uumph - not on a track day surely? []

JCB (1st generation 2.7 and still passing 'S's )

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: JCB..

As this has been debated so many times before I can't help but wonder why you feel the need to rake it up again.

When is it that you feel you need the extra uumph - not on a track day surely? []

JCB (1st generation 2.7 and still passing 'S's )

John I couldn't join the debate before as I hadn't experienced the 2.7 first hand .. No rake in my hand I can assure you, merely an opinion having now had the pleasure of the current 2.7, and don't get me wrong I think the 2.7 is a brilliant piece of kit but my point was more along the lines of power over extras

I don't need the extra uuumph very often at all but when the mood takes me then the thrill is worth the sacrafice of say a 2.7 with lots of toys []

 

[Ivor]

You just need to drive it properly..........[]

 

[thboxster]

Well i'm going to be my usual 'Fence Sitting' self.

I've owned both and both are great cars. One of the things that I really miss form my old 2.7 is the very long 3rd/4th gears. they'll take you along way before having to change. On the other hand the extra power and the shorter gears on the S gives a more energretic drive when the circumstances arise which is equally enjoyable.

Toys/Power - Power/Toys, whatever is most important to the individual.

 

[juliany27]

Robert

Pop down to your favourite OPC and test driver both; try demonstratorrs with similar miles and back-to-back. That should help you.

Good luck.

 

[Dapster]

I agree with you Rob. But what about 3.2 vs 3.4? Could you tell the difference from the drivers seat without having been told beforehand?

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: Dapster

I agree with you Rob. But what about 3.2 vs 3.4? Could you tell the difference from the drivers seat without having been told beforehand?

Dappula In a word "NO"

In defence of the 3.4 both test drives were in cars that had 400 miles (to hear sports exhaust although the sale person didn't mind red lining her in first 3 gears!! an act I certainly wasn't prepared to repeat once at the wheel) and a 1500 miler .... Neither felt as quick as my current run in 3.2 [&o]

 

[joelalderman]

I will be ordering the 2008 2.7 facelift soon and will be very happy with it. In my opinion the extra money for the S is not justified as it is only marginally quicker. I also would like to remind that the current 987 has 245bhp which I believe is comparable to the original S. The power may be up for 2008 model as well.

I see a lot of S's on ebay wrecked too, maybe too much power? I also like the 2.7 as with todays fuel prices being a concern I can get nearly 40mpg on average from my 987! Hopefully the newer cars will have DFI and I can break the 40mpg barrier???

One other consideration most importantly especially if you live in the south east is that the 2.7 is below the band G road tax rating, meaning it avoids the future hammering coming up for cars in this band and the £25 congestion charge proposal the area for which will be extended to the M25 if Ken gets his way. This may adversely affect values, already the 2.7 holds it's value slightly better I believe.

 

[ianfiat]

How do you manage to get 40 mpg ?

And what 2008 facelift ?
Surely they are building the 2008 model year cars now ?

 

[Chris_911]

I will be ordering the 2008 2.7 facelift soon

????

 

[joelalderman]

I get about 37-38mpg on an average run into work. I drive on a single carriageway A road at a steady speed (so extra urban). No other choice as there is no overtaking opportunities and always lorries on it.

I got 35 the other day when I got stuck in some traffic when getting into town. Just take it easy but enjoy the car when you want to of course.

Turn the aircon off to!

Porsche are doing a facelift in 08 with first cars expected around June/July.

Expect, some visual tweaks, Direct Fuel Injection, LED lights front and rear. I have a letter of interest in and have a good idea what I am going to order, just trying to find out more info. DFI should in crease MPG by 15% apparently so expect the combined figure for the 2.7 to be about 34-35mpg and the Extra Urban (non urban) to be 47-48mpg.

So over 40mpg should be possible for me. Who said these cars are un-environmental!

 

[PRG123]

Mine is an 03 tiptronic 2.7 and the computer says I am getting a maximum of 28Mpg but usually around 23Mpg

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: joelalderman

I will be ordering the 2008 2.7 facelift soon and will be very happy with it. In my opinion the extra money for the S is not justified as it is only marginally quicker.

I see a lot of S's on ebay wrecked too, maybe too much power?

If it's only marginally quicker surely the drivers of all these wrecked ebay S's could have done the same in the 2.7 [&o]

New engines for more power in a capable chassis

Providing power for the 2007 Boxster S is the new 3.4-liter "Boxer" six-cylinder engine from the Cayman S. While based on the 3.2-liter engine in the 2006 Porsche Boxster S, this engine wears the cylinder heads and uses the same VarioCam Plus technology as the venerable Porsche 911 Carrera"”a combination of adjustable valve timing and variable valve lift on the intake camshaft. VarioCam Plus carefully manages camshaft and valve lift to constantly make adjustments to optimize power output, resulting in 295 horsepower and 251 foot-pounds of torque. This helps propel the '07 Boxster S from a standing start to 60 miles per hour (96 km/h) in just 5.1 seconds. The Boxster S will reach a top test-track speed of 169 mph (272 km/h). The engine's efficiency also shows in its emissions, as it qualifies as an LEVII (low-emission category two) vehicle in the United States, and in its fuel economy rating of 20-mpg city and 28-mpg on the highway. In addition to its short stroke and VarioCam Plus technology, the new engine benefits from newly developed crankshaft, main bearings and pistons. The crankshaft in the Boxster S shares dimensions with that in the 911 Carrera and the aluminum crankcase is virtually identical to that used in the Porsche flagship.

Smaller pistons, higher compression ratio
Like the Porsche 911 models, Cayman S, and now the Boxster S, the power unit of the 2007 Boxster also features VarioCam Plus technology. Maximum output of this six-cylinder power unit is 245 bhp, with torque peaking at 201 lb-ft between 4600 and 6000 rpm. The 2.7-liter power unit comes with an even lighter crankshaft and a higher compression ratio than on the Boxster S, with output of 91.2 bhp per liter vs. 87.1. With the standard 5-speed manual transmission, the '07 Boxster accelerates from a standstill to 60 mph in just 5.8 seconds (0-100 km/h, 6.1 sec.), and has a top test-track speed of 160 mph (258 km/h). Fuel economy is an impressive 23-mpg city, and 32-mpg on the highway with the standard 5-speed manual transmission. In its external dimensions, the 2.7-liter boxer is identical to the 3.4-liter in the Boxster S "" but the moving parts within the engine are largely new in design and construction. As in the 3.4-liter power unit, stroke of the 2.7-liter engine is 78 millimeters or 3.07". The reduction in engine displacement, therefore, results from the smaller diameter of the cast pistons down to 85.5 millimeters or 3.37". The 2.7-liter engine features an even lighter crankshaft and the bores in the hollow piston pins are larger than before to save six grams in each pin, giving the engine an even faster, more freer-revving response. Detailed improvements are also to be found in the cylinder head, where an injector bore between the two outlet valves completed after the casting process improves coolant flow to reduce thermal loads at this point, helping reduce the risk of the engine knocking. As a result, the compression ratio has been increased by two-tenths over that of the Boxster S to 11.3:1. With the external dimensions of the two power units remaining geometrically identical, the new 2.7-liter has the same intake manifold as the 3.4-liter engine, incorporating a resonance flap and a double-chamber distributor pipe with a distributor pipe flap further downstream. High torque throughout the entire range of engine speed is ensured by the intake system, with the switch thresholds on both flaps being adjusted to the size of the smaller engine. The distributor pipe (resonance length) and the resonance flap (resonance cross-section) are controlled as a function of engine speed for superior torque throughout the entire speed range. As long as the two flaps are closed, the two rows of cylinders draw in combustion air separately from one another, the engine thus acting as a double three-cylinder. In the lower speed range this effect increases engine torque significantly.

 

[rajagger]

A lot comes down to how long and what sort of driving you take the average over.

 

[kitchens]

I get between 29.5- 31 .6 acording to the computer does not vary no matter how I drive it have to say the 2.7 Tip is fine and enough power for me ,having had the 3.2S 550 spyder cannot feel any great differance,possibly a 2sec in the 0-60

 

[Black80XSA]

The poweer of the 987 2.7 migth well be close to that of the original S, but it doesn't have the 6 speed box to expolit the power in the same manner.

Whilst i was very happy with my 228bhp 986 2.7, the move to the 987S has been significant - usign 987 2.7 loaners highlights the lack of torque, and the long leggedness of the 5 speed box - its still not slow, but does feel lethargic in comparison.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: Black80XSA

Whilst i was very happy with my 228bhp 986 2.7, the move to the 987S has been significant - usign 987 2.7 loaners highlights the lack of torque, and the long leggedness of the 5 speed box - its still not slow, but does feel lethargic in comparison.

7 Days and 500 miles on I totally agree with your comments []

My "S" was promised back for Tuesday then Wednesday then today and guess what I came home in tonight? Oh well lets see what tomorrow brings from my OPC

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: Black80XSA

Whilst i was very happy with my 228bhp 986 2.7, the move to the 987S has been significant - usign 987 2.7 loaners highlights the lack of torque, and the long leggedness of the 5 speed box - its still not slow, but does feel lethargic in comparison.

Back in my "S" today and please to say rattle has been fixed despite taking 10 working days to find and silence.

In the meantime I had become completely satisfied and at one with the 2.7 loaners performance until I got back into my "S. The difference in performance and more so the fashion it delivers that difference are immediately "in your face" [8D] and I think any 2.7 owner trading up to the "S" would not be disappointed and probably pleasantly surprised IMO []

 

[mikec]

I'd have to agree with Daro. I've one of those Boxster Coupes[], 3.4S. I'd had a day in a 2.7 Boxster with the 5 speed 'box. Didn't like it. I've never been a fan of soft tops, that's why I waited for the coupe, I live near Aberdeen so Sunshine is something alien to me! The car never felt as enjoyable to drive, even though I was more enthusiastic with it than normal I missed the extra oomph. Not a bad car by any means, just not my cup of tea.