2.7 or S2

[Guest]

I have had my 1989 944 2.7 for a pretty trouble free year. I has been my first Porsche and I have loved owning it. However, I have started to think about looking for an S2. Has anyone any particular advice for changing over or would I be better to stick with the reliable 944 I have at the minute ? Is it likely to cost me a lot more to run ? Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Marc

 

[chrisr]

There is always something to be said for keeping a car especially a Porsche that is running well and not costing you financially and mentally [] unless high anticipated costs are around the corner. The S2 is superb in terms of mid range torque and smoothness without the grunt of say a Turbo, in terms of the comparision with a 2.7 , I drove one prior to my S2 purchase , and yes the above IMO are the perhaps the main differences , balance/handling not a great deal different , both fine cars.

Running costs I cannot imagine would be a great deal different eg servicing/fuel costs but Ill leave that for somebody else to judge. If you really want an S2 you will not be dissapointed but if you've got a nice 2.7 then personally I would stick with that .

Cheers
Chris

 

[Diver944]

I'm tending to agree with Chris for practical reasons. You know the car, its a good car, why change?

Unfortunately the petrolhead within us always wants something, faster, flashier, newer [8D] I've not driven a 2.7 but I have driven a 2.5 and in comparison the S2 is far far faster and more refined. The 2.5 is much more chuckable because it is lighter and on narrower tyres. I imagine the 2.7 is similar, but faster

Your choice []

 

[Guest]

Better the devil you know

 

[Fen]

I'm fancying a Lux the way Paul and Mr Sims talk about them. Actually in all seriousness there is a local woman with an S in Summer Yellow that she has had from new and I would buy that if she offered it for sale. Apparently she also has an S2 cab that has 11k on it from new as well. I'm going to put those thoughts away now though as I have decided the next Porsche I buy will be a 964 coupe as a daily driver.

 

[TTM]

ORIGINAL: Fen
the next Porsche I buy will be a 964 coupe as a daily driver.

Don't do that. According to my mechanic (over 30 years of experience with Porsches), it's the worst 911 ever. Either enjoy an agricultural/bullet proof 3.2 or stretch your budget to a 993. IMHO anyway.

Back on topic - as already suggested I would stick with the 2.7.
It may not be quite as quick as an S2 but don't tempt the devil if yours already works troublefree.

 

[Fen]

I spoke to mine about them last year and he said all the problems have usually been sorted out by now. It was all the dual dizzy and dual mass flywheel I think. I drove one last week (a LHD tiptronc cab [:'(]) for about 200m and it was lovely - light, nimble-feeling and reminded me of my 3.2 Carrera without the agricultural feel they have. I haven't driven a 993 yet but they are sooo much more money and I only want a daily driver. I'll be waiting until I see if I still have a job in a few months time before there is any possibility of even thinking about it, but winter is the time to buy.

 

[951Torqing]

If you have a few years left in you I would stick with the 2.7
I am 61 & purchased my 1st Porsche last Nov - a 2.7 (116k) lovely car very nice to drive, as I'm getting on a bit I wanted to try a "better/faster" ! model and couldn't resist an S2 Cab with only 37k but it cost me 1/2 the price of the 2.7 on a Hartech Cat C ++ service to get the Mechanics in vgc, the drive is not as stable also so I am missing the recently sold 2.7 in that respect. But the S2 does have more Grunt/Torque. I was thinking of getting the 2.7 chipped but didn't bother as I have recently sold it.
I would like to get a 986 Sport before I retire (cash in a Pension early) I wont be able to afford/justify one when I do retire.! (cant really justify a Porsche now actually - but there are some things you just have to do!!!)

 

[Diver944]

ORIGINAL: Fen
I have decided the next Porsche I buy will be a 964 coupe as a daily driver.

As we are going OT, I'm with you all the way Fen[] . The 964 has always been my favourie 911 and after talking with other owners the 'bad name' is very old news by now. Looked after cars will have had those problems rectified many years ago. Mine will be a 964RS lightweight though and be MOTEC'd by 9M [8D]

 

[Fen]

ORIGINAL: Diver944
Mine will be a 964RS lightweight though and be MOTEC'd by 9M [8D]

Yeah, but I'm serious and it's a realistic plan []

I'd love a 964RS but with their values seemingly rising to be very close to those of 993 Turbos I don't know that I'd ever actually drop coin on one. A nice Carrera 2 or 4 coupe with a proper gearbox and decent provenance is £12k-£15k and that would do me fine.

 

[chrisr]

Personally its got to be a 993 for me , though the prices circa 23-26k for an L/M Non Varioram are on the high side in comparison to say a 964. Never driven either - just love the styling of the 993.

 

[Fen]

I'd have a 993 in preference too, albeit that that is because I think they are going to be a better car and actually prefer the original 911 big headlight look, but at circa twice the price it isn't comparable.

 

[carlmthompson]

I kind of agree with Chris, but also appecaite the 964 as well.

My favourite shape of 911 is the 2.7 - just before they got braces!! As they're seemingly unloved, I could pick one up at reasonable money also[].

Ah well, dream over, back to the auctions to pick up another hatch to flog.......

 

[Fen]

Ahh but 911 without impact bumpers wasn't galvanised. Much as I also like the slim hips and slim bumper look I'd never have the nerve to buy a car that can look fine to the untrained eye and need a 5-figure restoration to make it one (I have far more pointless ways to throw 5-figure sums at Porsches []). Add to that that they aren't really a daily driver and again it isn't comparable. I wouldn't want a 911 to be my track toy; why try to make the best driving machine you can out of something that starts out inherently flawed by having a large chunk of its weight behind the back axle? I just want one because they look nice, drive nice and are reliable, modern and practical enough to be driven daily on the road and will depreciate virtually not at all. Totally standard with a set of Cup 1's in a dark metallic, please.

 

[chrisr]

Yep Im with you on that Carl - the 2.7's and the early 911's are a dream to see, but for a mechanical novice like me who would need my car as a daily driver its never going to be an option, unless I sprout a garage and the mechancial side of my brain is able to function past being able to change a light bulb[].

I wont deny that a 993 is high up on my list , but I love the 944 and in comparison 1 S2 , Turbo and a Lux for one 993 [8D] is to much at this stage.

 

[Guest]

First of all, thank you all for replying. I will probably keep the the 2.7 for a while. I am about to get it back from the painters after having a few stone chips and niggles sorted out and want to make it presentable before Brands Hatch !
I have decided I really don't wan't to take the risk with a car I don't know. Also, I would have difficulty parting with my current 944 as I have enjoyed driving it so much.

Thanks

Marc

 

[John Sims]

Good choice Marc.

Given the space, and the money, I'd have another Lux tomorrow.

Picking up on the 911 element. Alan at Weltmeister took me out in his 964RS- damn I could so have that car. The first time I drove a 911 I knew I had to have a Porsche of my own. I thought the 944 would cure me of that urge but just going out in Alan's car reinforced my original thoughts and I know I must have a 911. But which one?

Belinda doesn't like 911's on the whole but doesn't mind 996's. I wouldn't have a 996 (GT or Turbo aside) because of the RMS issue -not that any of those choices is likely to burden me in the immediate future. A 993 would be great, but they are still big money, so a 964 seems the best choice.... but........I hate the bumpers. They look like the Tickford Capri conversion or, worse, the sort of things they would bolt onto a Skoda Estelle to try to make them look more sexy to UK buyers [:'(][:'(][:'(].