2003 C4S 230,000 miles

[JColbourne]

Is my 2003 996 C4S @ 230,000 miles the highest mileage in the UK for its year and type?

Any comments appreciated.

Best regards


JCR

 

[beershark]

Must be getting there, if not the most.

Would be interesting to know a little more - how long you have had it and any specific mainenance issues you have had.

Mines a C2 on a 98 with around 120k on it now.

 

[Diesel130]

ORIGINAL: beershark

...any specific mainenance issues you have had.

Mines a C2 on a 98 with around 120k on it now.

If I remember correctly, John needed a new engine at 120,000 and a gearbox shortly afterwards :-( Hope he won't need another in 10K miles...

 

[JColbourne]

ORIGINAL: beershark

Must be getting there, if not the most.

Would be interesting to know a little more - how long you have had it and any specific mainenance issues you have had.

Mines a C2 on a 98 with around 120k on it now.

I've had the car since July 2003. Bought it at 3,864 miles from OPC Swindon as an ex-demonstrator.

Saw Diesel 130 reply, thanks for that.

I had an official Porsche exchange engine at 117,000 miles in February 2007 due to manufacturing defects that were found in the crank cradle of the original engine. There is quite en extensive and detailed thread on that. I had to go to County Court to get compensation using the Sale of Goods Act and I'm pleased to say that I was successful. The Judge ruled that the life expectancy of the original engine should have been 200,000 miles. The gearbox was replaced at 124,121 miles and 134,701 miles, both times under Porsche's extended warranty.

Other than that it's been the usual maintenance and wear & tear items. The original suspension lasted until 197,592 miles. I can get 100,000 miles out of a set of brake discs and the petrol pump was replaced last week at 229,000 miles.

I've now advertised it for sale in the Members for Sales Section as the rise in fuel costs, VAT and fuel duty are making me seriously consider the economic viability of running it as a business car.

Rgds

JCR

 

[Diesel130]

ORIGINAL: JColbourne
The Judge ruled that the life expectancy of the original engine should have been 200,000 miles.

Wow! That's a result...

 

[Mark Elder]

ORIGINAL: Diesel130

ORIGINAL: JColbourne
The Judge ruled that the life expectancy of the original engine should have been 200,000 miles.

Wow! That's a result...

Indeed - it would be interesting to know more about it - I found the original thread - http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=242384 - but it ends at the point when "negotiations" were on going, obviously before you have resorted to the courts!

 

[Rodney Naghar]

Blimey is that a precedent? Are we saying here that all owners of cars with blown engines can now take Porsche to court and claim the engine should have been good for 200k?

 

[rob.kellock]

I would have thought not. Chances are, this was a County Court matter and hence not binding.

I also think that the OP was perhaps in the fortunate position of having purchased the car from an OPC at a very young age - there was therefore a purchase contract to sue over. I suspect the defendant in the proceedings was the supplying dealer and not Porsche. Would be interesting if the OP is able to clarify this.

 

[Rodney Naghar]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock

I would have thought not. Chances are, this was a County Court matter and hence not binding.

I also think that the OP was perhaps in the fortunate position of having purchased the car from an OPC at a very young age - there was therefore a purchase contract to sue over. I suspect the defendant in the proceedings was the supplying dealer and not Porsche. Would be interesting if the OP is able to clarify this.

I see. Although it may not open the floodgates, would it not point to a good chance of success for other claims (especially for cars that had a FPSH)? I'm sure any plantiff would not be bothered whether the money came from Porsche or the supplying dealer.

 

[JColbourne]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock

I would have thought not. Chances are, this was a County Court matter and hence not binding.

I also think that the OP was perhaps in the fortunate position of having purchased the car from an OPC at a very young age - there was therefore a purchase contract to sue over. I suspect the defendant in the proceedings was the supplying dealer and not Porsche. Would be interesting if the OP is able to clarify this.

Hi Rob,

Your're correct. I purchased it from the OPC at 3,864 miles as an ex-demonstrator.

Having exhausted all options with Porsche themselves in the UK and Germany, even to the extent of emailing Wendelin Wiedeking himself, the only option I was left with was to take legal action against the supplying OPC under the Sales of Goods Act.

Rgds

JCR

 

[JColbourne]

ORIGINAL: Mark Elder

ORIGINAL: Diesel130

ORIGINAL: JColbourne
The Judge ruled that the life expectancy of the original engine should have been 200,000 miles.

Wow! That's a result...

Indeed - it would be interesting to know more about it - I found the original thread - http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=242384 - but it ends at the point when "negotiations" were on going, obviously before you have resorted to the courts!

Hi Mark,

I think I posted a new thread on the PCGB forum with the later results and also got some good support and advice from the US web site thread I posted too. It's scary how quickly 4 years and 113,000 miles go by!!!

Rgds

JCR

 

[rob.kellock]

Thanks JCR. I had always formed the view that my private purchase effectively gave me no remedy when the engine went pop on my 996 at just 42k miles. The chap I had purchased it from had also purchased it privately from its original owner. I had no contract with Porsche and no trader to pursue. All part of life's rich tapestry!

I suspect the number of people who suffer 996 engine issues who bought their car new or nearly new are now fairly rare creatures but all credit to you for pursuing matters.

 

[JColbourne]

Thanks Rob.

Sorry to see your engine went at such a low mileage. Given that the Sale of Goods Act is active for 6 years from the original sale of the goods in question, I'm not sure how the opportunity to claim would pass between private sellers but an interesting point to consider.

Ryes

JCR

 

[rob.kellock]

Good point, I think that was the final nail in the coffin for any plans I had to pursue matters - my car was 6 years and about 3 months old at the time!

My logic was that I would have to pursue the chap I bought the car off, he would then have to seek an indemnity from the original purchaser and the original purchaser would then seek an indemnity from the supplying dealer. The supplying dealer may then also have sought an indemnity from Porsche. Given that I knew the first 2 people in the chain and really didn't wish to involve them, the plan was scuppered from the start. The risk of paying up to 5 lots of legal fees if the Judge went against me was also quite off putting!

 

[bazhart]

The car I am using as one of my own cars came is as a cracked liner and had done 153K on the original engine. Now rebuilt the whole car is just like a 70K car - drives beautifully and I am really enjoying it. Is this the highest on an original engine?

Baz

 

[Richard_Hamilton]

Good effort [] , but here are a few higher mileage ones:

180,000 996 - http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php/topic/34666-180000-miles-2000-996-tip/page__view__findpost__p__183515

178,000 996 - http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php/topic/14151-high-mile-role-call/page__view__findpost__p__188808

Heresay 200,000+ 986 - http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php/topic/23821-anyone-in-100k-mile-club/page__view__findpost__p__124409

196,000 986 - http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php/topic/23821-anyone-in-100k-mile-club/page__view__findpost__p__175047

215,000 986 - http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php/topic/23821-anyone-in-100k-mile-club/page__view__findpost__p__165280

 

[Diesel130]

ORIGINAL: Richard Hamilton

Good effort [] , but here are a few higher mileage ones:

180,000 996 - http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php/topic/34666-180000-miles-2000-996-tip/page__view__findpost__p__183515

178,000 996 - http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php/topic/14151-high-mile-role-call/page__view__findpost__p__188808

Heresay 200,000+ 986 - http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php/topic/23821-anyone-in-100k-mile-club/page__view__findpost__p__124409

196,000 986 - http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php/topic/23821-anyone-in-100k-mile-club/page__view__findpost__p__175047

215,000 986 - http://www.renntech.org/forums/index.php/topic/23821-anyone-in-100k-mile-club/page__view__findpost__p__165280

Errr... but 230,000 miles is higher than those, Richard!

 

[Richard_Hamilton]

I was responding to Baz, and his feeble 153k on the original engine. []

 

[Diesel130]

ORIGINAL: Richard Hamilton

I was responding to Baz, and his feeble 153k on the original engine. []

"in reply to bazhart".. oh yes... so you were... sorry

 

[JColbourne]

Photo at 3,864 miles