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3000 Miles around Europe

EddySpaghetti

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Hi All,

Thought you would be interested to hear a little about my trip around Europe in my 'new' Turbo. I had a fantastic time and the car behaved impeccably, but for a couple of little niggles it really was outstanding, and 110 Mph on the autoroute is definitely its natural habitat.

Regulars may remember I bought it about 2/3 months ago; its a white Turbo SE. It needed some essentials doing before I could really stretch its legs, so I took a few weekends to do all the belts, rollers and the waterpump myself, as well as changing the gearbox oil, doing the sunroof seal and a few other bits and pieces. I didn't get everything sorted before the trip, but enough that I felt confident at giving it a go.

The trip map on Google is here:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?d&source=s_d&saddr=London,+UK&daddr=Annecy+to:Laragne-Mont%C3%A9glin,+Hautes-Alpes,+Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te+d'Azur,+France+to:Vinca,+france+to:barcelona+to:La+Coruna+to:Biarritz+to:London&geocode=%3B%3BFVIupAIdUdxYAA%3B%3B%3B%3B%3B&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=46.38406,-1.138555&sspn=14.252868,28.168945&ie=UTF8&ll=46.619261,1.845703&spn=14.19022,28.168945&z=5

For those not bothered with the link (!) it was basically, London to the alps, barcelona, la coruna, biarritz and back.

I encountered a few little issues which will need attention now I am back, and one major (but easily fixed) problem when I lost 1st and 2nd gear near Perpignan, at night, on a sunday, in an unknown town, with nowhere yet booked to stay - D'oh...

Fortunately the loss of 1st and 2nd was sorted quickly by re-tightening one of the bellcrank (?) bolts on the gearbox, apparently the bolt in use was non-standard, so that will need some more investigation now I can do so myself. Unfortunately, I had taken the car to a Porsche garage and the cheeky buggers charged me an hour's labour for doing that, which was stretching the space time continuum a little, but hey, it got me back on track for my holiday, and was only about the same a s a tank of petrol in the land of ridiculous prices - (1.38Euros/litre on the autoroute !!!)

They also advised that my front wheel brearings were on the way out along with my brake pads, so will have to get on with those too...

The little things were:

Sunroof and tailgate didn't seem to leak at all, despite epic thunderstorms in the alps, but the tailgate microswitch driven by the key seemed to get damp because it stopped working for a couple of weeks afterwards. Its Ok again now...

One of the motors in the drivers seat has gone, so I lost rear height adjustment and was a bit uncomfortable at times until I changed every other setting to get back to a decent driving position. I took the switch apart one day and wouldn't recommend doing it in a campsite (!) - the switches are full of little ball bearings and pretensioned springs which fly apart with gusto when you loosen things off. the switches are pretty simple though, and there is only one fuse for all the motors, which is what leads me to conclude its the motor itself which has burned out, although could still be dry solder joint somewhere. A seat-out job I have left until getting back.

The exhaust has gone through a couple of different rattling phases, so I'll get it on ramps soon and find out what needs tightening / whacking, and I will need to see if there is any adjustment left in the handbrake shoes too, because some steep hills left it wanting.

The only things which aren't 'bolt on' type issues are reaonably high oil consumption and my surprise that the temp guage never got more than a mm above the lower white line - even going up hill slowly on hot days in Spain. I'd be interested to hear what people think is normal for those things, I reckon I was using a litre of oil every two and a half tanks of petrol (I'm still to work out my eventual MPG - will need to go though credit card receipts for how much I put in !). Does anyone reckon that an old thermostat (didn't change it when I chnaged the pump-stoopid) could keep the enginge running too cool, even on hot hot days, and that that might impact on fuel / oil consumption?

I love my 944 ! - And there's now a long list of stuff to be getting on with over the winter - I'm seroiusly thinking of re-con'ing the struts, or going KWv3 depending on payrise (Ha! - never going to happen!) this autumn... My only complaint about the handling was that it was a little bit vague on bends around 100-120mph, having said that things stiffened up considerably above that speed - nuff said. Would the lack of the undertray be a contributing factor? - I left that at home as it came loose the day before I had to leave!

Cheers for any thoughts - hopefully this is an encouraging proof that you can rely on our cars with a bit of luck to do long trips abroad!

Any paraglider pilots will also be glad to know that you can get up very steep tracks to alpine takeoffs (as long as there is ground clearance) with two paragliders, lots of camping gear and two 6ft plus blokes in the front.

I love my 944!

Cheers all,

Eddy
 
Wow, what a drive you had. TBH I am very interested in what you did as I plan to do something similar, maybe not quite as far as you but I intend to visit my sister in the Swiss Alps next year, coming back through Italy and Germany. How long did the journey take you?

Edd
 
Hmm, time taken was roughly:

London to Annecy - about 12 hours including the Uk bit and the ferry crossing
Annecy to Laragne - about 3 hours
Laragne to Perpignan - about 3 - 4 hours
Perpignan to Barcelona - about 2-3 hours
Barcelona to La coruna (done with overnight stop) about 11-12 hours
La coruna to Biarritz about 8 hours
Biarritz back to London about 15 hours including the ferry and UK bits

Roads are way better in the continent, like night and day compared to our crappy M-ways - basically all their roads are like the M6 toll ! and just as expensive.

Peage charges were not something I had really budgetted for and took me by surprise - eg. London to Annecy on the first day ended up costing about 80 quid in tolls. :(
 
ORIGINAL: EddySpaghetti

The only things which aren't 'bolt on' type issues are reaonably high oil consumption and my surprise that the temp guage never got more than a mm above the lower white line - even going up hill slowly on hot days in Spain. I'd be interested to hear what people think is normal for those things, I reckon I was using a litre of oil every two and a half tanks of petrol (I'm still to work out my eventual MPG - will need to go though credit card receipts for how much I put in !). Does anyone reckon that an old thermostat (didn't change it when I chnaged the pump-stoopid) could keep the enginge running too cool, even on hot hot days, and that that might impact on fuel / oil consumption?

Hi Eddy,

Epic journey fella [:)] thats something I'd really love to do, did you have plenty of time to stop for awhile at places of interest?

Regarding the temperature and thermostat question, I think mine was like this and was slightly lower than the first line, on mine it was definetly the thermostat and was changed. Temperature now moves about 3/4 of the way towards the second white line when left to idle or standing in traffic, then the fans/thermostat bring it back down to 1st line.

Dave K.
 
Fantastic trip. We did Reims to Nurburgring to Spa 2 weeks ago as a short honeymoon trip. Had a great time and did about 1250 miles total. The petrol is much cheaper in Germany and Belgium, around €126 to €128. Talking to a few ppl at work who have recently been to other parts of France, the problem is France in general. Everything is just too expensive now. It cost me €6.50 for a pint in Reims! Wine likewise was roughly €10 for a half bottle that costs a fiver in a UK supermarket for a full bottle. On our first night in Reims we had 2x steak and chips, 2x little beers and a 1/2 bottle of wine, total price €52! Reims is nice but I think in future it will be a case of using France purely as a stop over.

The guy that sits next to me at work is mad about Italian cars, he does a big trip every year and this year is heading of to the old timer GP at the Nurburgring then on down through Switzerland, over the Stelvio and into Turin, then back west into France and back home. I have convinced him to stop off and check out the old GP pits at Reims on the way.

These trips become addictive.
 
Sounds like you ad a great time and the car stood you well for the trip.

Old thermostats definately open too early and can leave you running cooler than is normal, though anywhere between the first and second white lines is considered 'normal' according to the oval dash handbook (That's if your gauge is 100% accurate too).

The undertray also makes a noticeable difference at very high speeds, without it the car can feel floaty and light at the front end - a good alignment and new rear wishbone bushes (caster mounts) will also help here.

Oil consumption sounds a little high, do you know what grade of oil is in there? 10w40 and 15w50 are better for turbos with a higher mileage
 
Thanks for the feedback guys, sounds like I need to get a new thermostat in there sometime when I can face the coolant change game - I'm gonna get something to trap the coolant and keep it clean rather than have it do the niagara falls trick over the front splitter and need to be changed though :)

Also will get round to refitting the undertray, and new bushes (and new shocks) are on the wish list. Would you recommend polybush or one of the other makes, and what grade is good for fast road use (are the competition ones bone jarring, and does it depend on whether you have upgraded shocks?)

Thinking about it, the car needs new wheel bearings and pads at the front, so I may save my pennies and do a full suspension / brakes rebuild in a rented garage over the winter - does anyone near London know of a place where you can rent a garage that has a pit / lift? Would you recommend doing a complete re-bush, or are there specific ones that make a big difference and keep the cost down?

The oil consumption is a bit of a pain - How could I figure out whether its the Turbo or the valve stem oil seals or (yikes) worn rings? - There never appears to be any blue / white smoke at any point, and no oil in the coolant that I can see.

First day back at work was today - fricking miserable, but I did get to tell anyone who'd listen about the trip :)

Thanks for any advice,

Eddy

 
Oh, and oil was 15W50 Mobil 1 to start with, but I couldn't find simlar in French garages so I ended up using 10w40 to top up. Well, I say top up, it is probably now 4 litres of 10W40 and the remainder will be the Mobil 1.

I would like to get to the bottom of the high consumption as I don't think it can be all that great to be running several different grades / makes of oil at once???

Yes, France is great, but massively expensive for us now that the Pound has tanked. Next year I may well do the Nurburgring route to the Stelvio and then spend some time in the Italian alps instead.

Just need to get through another British winter...

Cheers,

Ed
 

ORIGINAL: EddySpaghetti

Next year I may well do the Nurburgring route to the Stelvio and then spend some time in the Italian alps instead.


Sounds good to me, perhaps we should organise a group visit...?

Edd
 
A group trip would be great. This is just the thing our cars were built for! Sounds like a great trip Eddy. I've often thought of a Europe trip taking in the best known circuits in Europe and doing a track day at each, say starting at the Ring and working my way south to Barcelona taking in Spa, Magny Cours and whatever part of the Le Mans circuit - or what parts of the Le Mans circuit you can do. Would be an epic journey.
 
ORIGINAL: EddySpaghetti

The oil consumption is a bit of a pain - How could I figure out whether its the Turbo or the valve stem oil seals or (yikes) worn rings? - There never appears to be any blue / white smoke at any point, and no oil in the coolant that I can see.

my bet is turbo seals - is there any oil in the throttle body or intercooler pipes?

 

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