5th gear turbo s v GTR but they arent white!
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Nice report! Can't say I have any issues with exhaust noise or ride height myself - and I've coughed up less money in fixes than I would have spent on extended warranties thus far. Perhaps I've just been lucky but voiding it at 2000 miles after running in worked out great for me.
grover
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Just seen Friday nights comparison between the new Turbo S and GTR which was good and this has highlighted something for me this weekend with a different comparison.
I have a gen 1 GT3 this weekend and have been doing comparisons between my turbo s and the gt3. Hopefully the little pic uploads.
Well they are both white and have carbon backed race seats but that is where the comparison ends.
I have forgotten driving turbos for a while now how light the front can become on a rear wheel drive car and piling into my first favourite roundabout this weekend in the GT3 and I had lack of braking, the car was dancing all over the place and feeling quite scary and required real concentration to keep it where I wanted it to go on dry tarmac, so unlike the point and shoot electronic backed PVT, dynamic engine mount and 4wd system that a new gen 2 car has, I clearly hadnt realised the speed I am now carrying into and out of my favourite corners in the new machine and in all weathers, you get so used to it, in fact often thinking I could just do with a few more HP!
Slightly daunted I have then had a few more hours in the GT3 this morning with a another turbo following round and whilst it lacks that amazing grunt when you nail the accelerator, it makes a glorious noise all the time, especially at high revs and whilst it has you shaken and stirred constantly, it is certainly a rewarding drive that has you smiling with passers by watching one of the most iconic 911 variants as you drive through towns. Over the time, I have rebuilt my confidence in what it can do and how to get the car working for you rather than against so with it sitting in front of me on the drive I am reminded just how good these cars are. a quick blast on country back roads reminds you quickly of that.
They look fantastic, that lowered body, black venting to the bonnet and big rear wing telling you watch out this is something special.
However time has taken its toll slightly on gen 1 cars now, the dash and sat nav look old, the car looks better with a wider rear end (like RS version) and it is slow by comparison to the new car, making me very happy I have the right choice for me IMHO, the new car has most of the great bits of the GT3 car in it, with seats and aerokit, grip is better, grunt is better, the new pdk box works well, it lacks just one main thing......the infectious noise....why or why do Porsche not have a sports exhaust for the turbo as an option at least so you can mix and match between sound levels when you want to..........maybe the new gen car late this year and next will sort that point out.....I can only hope. At least the S does sound better than a standard turbo quite distinctively but its just not the same. I just don't want to loose my warranty by changing it or lowering the car that would also tick that final little box.
Same cars with a massive difference!
I have a gen 1 GT3 this weekend and have been doing comparisons between my turbo s and the gt3. Hopefully the little pic uploads.
Well they are both white and have carbon backed race seats but that is where the comparison ends.
I have forgotten driving turbos for a while now how light the front can become on a rear wheel drive car and piling into my first favourite roundabout this weekend in the GT3 and I had lack of braking, the car was dancing all over the place and feeling quite scary and required real concentration to keep it where I wanted it to go on dry tarmac, so unlike the point and shoot electronic backed PVT, dynamic engine mount and 4wd system that a new gen 2 car has, I clearly hadnt realised the speed I am now carrying into and out of my favourite corners in the new machine and in all weathers, you get so used to it, in fact often thinking I could just do with a few more HP!
Slightly daunted I have then had a few more hours in the GT3 this morning with a another turbo following round and whilst it lacks that amazing grunt when you nail the accelerator, it makes a glorious noise all the time, especially at high revs and whilst it has you shaken and stirred constantly, it is certainly a rewarding drive that has you smiling with passers by watching one of the most iconic 911 variants as you drive through towns. Over the time, I have rebuilt my confidence in what it can do and how to get the car working for you rather than against so with it sitting in front of me on the drive I am reminded just how good these cars are. a quick blast on country back roads reminds you quickly of that.
They look fantastic, that lowered body, black venting to the bonnet and big rear wing telling you watch out this is something special.
However time has taken its toll slightly on gen 1 cars now, the dash and sat nav look old, the car looks better with a wider rear end (like RS version) and it is slow by comparison to the new car, making me very happy I have the right choice for me IMHO, the new car has most of the great bits of the GT3 car in it, with seats and aerokit, grip is better, grunt is better, the new pdk box works well, it lacks just one main thing......the infectious noise....why or why do Porsche not have a sports exhaust for the turbo as an option at least so you can mix and match between sound levels when you want to..........maybe the new gen car late this year and next will sort that point out.....I can only hope. At least the S does sound better than a standard turbo quite distinctively but its just not the same. I just don't want to loose my warranty by changing it or lowering the car that would also tick that final little box.
Same cars with a massive difference!
Gary One thing that crops up time and time again is that Porsche do not/will not offer a sports exhaust for the Turbo and for may people (me included) it stops the Turbo from being the perfect road car. The GT 2 has a different exhaust so why cant Porsche offer one as an option. Many reputable aftermarket suppliers have manged it so why cant Porsche? Gary could we get the 997 section surveyed and approach Porsche with an official request that they provide this option on the next version of the Turbo. Most manufacturers would welcome that type of feedback from their customers. One of the great pleasure of my GT 3 has been the noise it makes. There are valid technical reasons why a Turbo will never sound as good but they could sound a lot better than they do
Bob, Porsche had a project to build a sports exhaust for the Turbo but they gave up as they couldn't make it sound good enough. Also, I don't think a 10k+ titanium exhaust from a GT2 would be a big seller as a Turbo option somehow. It would have to be a 2-4k option max IMHO for people to tick that box on the spec list.
garyw
Moderator
We were discussing this very item over the weekend.... I think the 'main' market that the Turbo is aimed at is very different in requirements to the GT3.. The GT3 is about a complete experience on the track and road, the Turbo seems now to be in the eyes of Porsche more of a GT /get your there quickly type car, so whether a louder exhaust is wanted/required I don't think they have an answer too... I know we as owners inside the car don't actually get the experience of the exhaust sound however those in other cars and bystanders do comment on what a great noise the Turbo does actually make... you can certainly tell when one is going down the opposite side of Bruntingthorpe on full chat! [
] I was in Germany recently and other members of the group commented about the roar as it was 'working'.... I can indeed look at running a survey but expect that the majority would say Yes, until a cost is mentioned... It will be interesting to see where the new generation of 911 goes with the Turbo version of the car... Rob and myself did approach Porsche cars on a few things - Satnav support and Turbo exhausts being just a couple... I think the polite response would have been you get the latest maps in a new car.. [&:] garyw
] I was in Germany recently and other members of the group commented about the roar as it was 'working'.... I can indeed look at running a survey but expect that the majority would say Yes, until a cost is mentioned... It will be interesting to see where the new generation of 911 goes with the Turbo version of the car... Rob and myself did approach Porsche cars on a few things - Satnav support and Turbo exhausts being just a couple... I think the polite response would have been you get the latest maps in a new car.. [&:] garyw
Gary I have to agree with Bob my one disapointment with the turbo is the sound (or lack of it) I followed John's GT2 last month and what a difference, it shows you can make a turbo sound good possibly not quite like a GT3 / RS but a lot better than mine. So come on Porsche surely as owners and in many cases repeat customers listen to the people who make Porsche the profitable company it is, give up a little bit of margin and give us a reasonably price sports exhaust to complete the driving experience. Geoff
mnk303
PCGB Member
Excellent I so agree with this, I ran a Turbo and was amazed at the performance, but it was too bland in the sound department, after having a few Ferrari's and then the Turbo I was feeling a bit let down, not in performace but in sound thrills, so after only a few weeks moved the turbo on and went to the GT3RS and now I am happy 90% of the sound of a Ferrari especially above 3K revs, if I could have kept my warranty and upgraded the turbo exhaust for a better sounding system even at 10K I would have kept the Turbo....why not! I am happy with my GT3RS but the turbo could be used more. I just dont understand Porsche thinking on this, Maclaren went back and redesigned the exhaust on the MC12 so it sounded better, do Porsche even know its a desire of the customer base? BTW Here is a video of mine with the sports exhaust off....compare the two please [link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnTbyB1aHcg[/link]
This is a quote from Porsche GB to myself when the Turbo sports exhaust what promised 4 years ago now: I'm sorry to break some bad news at this point on a Friday and just before the weekend, but the sports exhaust for Turbo has been delayed indefinitely and has moved to a TBA status. The issue is that the sound quality was not good enough and would not meet expectations. So, it's back to the drawing board for our development department! I know this will come as a major disappointment, but I also know you would want it to sound and perform to a standard at least of normally-aspirated 997 models with a sports exhaust and it disappoints me at this stage to say that the Turbo version does not meet that. Therefore, the decision taken is not to offer it until it does. I hope you understand and that it does not take away your enjoyment of a fantastic car when you get yours.
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