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718 Cayman Warranty Problem

Twinfan

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From what you've said, I don't think that Porsche necessarily attempted to sell you a warranty you didn't need. You enquired about the cost of one and they provided that information. Neither of you were aware at this point that the car was currently covered under an existing extended warranty, and without knowing the OPC systems I'm not sure how visible it would be. It could be tucked away in a sub menu or within a different system to the regular servicing info.

I'm curious as to how Porsche might say that the extended waranty is/was in place as, unless something has changed recently, the extended warranty can only be transferred if the car is sold via a private sale and not via a dealer. Cazoo clearly being a dealer, I can only assume you registering the VIN online has triggered the ownership change on the Porsche side and then the letter. It may not actually be a valid warranty at this point in time, even if it's a genuine letter. I recently extended the warranty on my car and it triggered the sending of my Porsche Assistance paperwork that should have been with me 3 years ago when I bought the car new...

So I can see why the OPC are not being particularly helpful, it sounds like they haven't done anything wrong.

You can re-enter the warranty system if you have an OPC service, a 111-point check and pay the appropriate price but it's going to be overkill given that you're not due a service for 12 months. If it was me, I would live without the warranty for now and re-consider at the point of your next service in 2024 when the car is 6 years old.

 
Appreciate the reply.

Checking the validity of the PGB letter is why I initially popped into the OPC, I passed it to a member of their team and they went away with the letter, when they came back they said it was genuine.

Fair comment on 2026 point too, albeit I hope they help now but I'm not crash hopeful they will, hence my post, plus I've never been someone who gives up easily. [;)]

 
Hi,

Apologies for this being my first post, for years I've read the PGB forums for advice and more times than not, someone has guidance based on their prior experience so I've never needed to post.

Back in January early January 2022 I was involved in a multi car pile up, we were heading out of Hull on the A63, bye bye first Cayman (981). After a couple of stressful weeks I got my insurance pay out at 5pm on a Thursday and by 8pm I'd bought my current Cayman 718 (love it, brilliant car).

Bought online from Cazoo, I wouldn't normally do that but after all I didn't need a test drive and it came with a 7 day cooling-off/test period. I'd just had a Cayman so ultimately, I felt safe to go ahead. (Plus, it did look like a good price for a 2018 with only 8k on the clock).

When I got home I registered the VIN on the online Porsche system and it told me there was a recall on the side intake so not too long later I took the car into Hessle (Hull OPC), while I was there I said to the staff that I felt the car actually had much more than I knew, that the Cazoo advert on AutoTrader was very basic and missed a number of things so I said the same to the guys in service "Cazoo advert was poor on detail, can you tell me everything that car actually has please?". At which point I was passed a piece of paper just showing the spec, given the 718 was about to hit 4 years old we moved onto servicing, I got a quote for this at around £1400 and we were going to speak the following week.

When they called back I decided I'd like to discuss a Porsche warranty and began a conversation with them about the cost of a 2 year plan.

I was looking at a 2 year standalone, a 111 point check and with the service it quite quickly got over £3k.

I'm afraid I'm proper Yorkshire man and I haggle at anything, which I tried to do (badly) and also please don't forget I'd just written off a Porsche and had to buy; after a little back and forth I was offered a small amount off the 111 point check.

So, at this point, given the quoted rates with a 111 point check being needed, I felt I had no warranty to invalidate. I got it serviced elsewhere.

After all, Porsche themselves had just tried to sell me 2 year standalone plan and a 111 point check. So I couldn't possibly have a warranty, right? So I felt safe to book my 4yr service at an extremely reputable local garage who deal with prestige cars.
This is where it gets fun, two weeks ago I got home to a letter from Porsche GB, a letter stating my warranty runs out on the 20th of April this year. My jaw hit the floor, the car had always had a Porsche warranty, it had obviously been extended before I owned it in 2021 so never lapsed.

The following Saturday after receiving the letter I popped into Hessle (Hull OPC) to check that the letter I had was genuine, it was... again, jaw meet floor.

I asked how best to proceed on extending the existing warranty because I'd like some rational at their side as I'd had it serviced elsewhere because of the information I'd been given by their dealership and ultimately it was a key factor in my decision to get it serviced elsewhere.

Lets be clear on the original conversation, there are two options, either I was advised incorrectly or someone attempted to mis-sell me not one but two things I didn't need.

Lets go back to the Saturday chat, the young lady (was great and tried her best) on Monday night she called to say she'd spoken to their after-sales manager who said they couldn't help, so I asked why they'd attempt to sell me two things that I didn't need and why this wasn't being taken into account? She said she'd call me back.

My drive home from work goes past Porsche so when last Friday arrived I decided to pop in because I'd not heard anything.

The lady (still doing her best) apologised for not calling by now, she'd been poorly. Then said the answer was still no, I asked why and she went away to talk to a guy not even 150ft from me, not on the phone, didn't appear busy and he sent her back with a message of "we can't help".

I now said I was very disappointed that they can't help, given I acted on the fact I'd been into the showroom to ask the question "can you tell me everything that car actually has please?" and that her colleague had tried to sell me a warranty. She said she'd spoken to the colleague that tried to sell me the warranty but she couldn't recall our conversation. To which I thought, yeah, I bet; but then the helpful lady went onto say "...when we've printed off a spec, it wouldn't show your warranty", the relevance of this comment and how it was delivered (as if given secondhand from someone else) hit me on my way home.

When I originally visited and said "tell me everything that car comes with", her colleague had indeed only printed the spec. So logically she did remember me and did remember what was printed off, so therefore has to recall our chat and now she's realising her attempt to sell me two things I didn't even need could land her in hot water.

To the helpful lady I said again "but surely if this dealership gave me that info, info which influenced my servicing decision, you have some part to play? At the very least you've potentially attempted to miss-sell" so she went away to the non-moving AS manager who again sent the poor sod back my way with another "no" message.

At which point, please forgive, I got quite wound up and asked if the AS guy ever leaves that room or interacts with any clients? She said "I'll ask if he'll come and see you" so i said there was no need, I as I didn't feel I should need to ask. I couldn't believe because he didn't appear busy (its a glass office) that he kept sending the poor sod back with messages, so I left.

I need an oil change and brake fluid change at the moment too and all I'm trying to do is spend money with Porsche and move my servicing back to Porsche but this is insane.

I'm surrounded in Porsche owners, my wife has 2 year old Macan S, my best mate drives a GT3 and my father-in-law has a Boxster (previously bought 2 brand new Porsches!), we love the marque. It beggars belief.

Who on earth knowingly invalidates a Porsche warranty when its existed from new, I know I wouldn't, had I been given correct advice by Porsche.

Can anyone offer any advice?
 
No worries!

You may have just found a loophole in the warranty transfer system, but if you want to check for sure about the warranty I'd call the number on your letter and have a chat with the warranty department. It would be good to know if the warranty is now transferable via dealers, meanwhile I check my paperwork to see what it says....

 
I've just checked my documents and the warranty can only be transferred via a private sale or if you sell to an OPC. So while your letter will be genuine, I think it's been triggered automatically in error by your VIN registration...

 
Twinfan said:
I've just checked my documents and the warranty can only be transferred via a private sale or if you sell to an OPC. So while your letter will be genuine, I think it's been triggered automatically in error by your VIN registration...
I didn't know that, I feel a right nugget now.

 
If you don't know, you don't know! Don't sweat it.

I guess that means you made the right call anyway!

 
Don’t feel a nugget. The guy in the glass cage could have been a lot more helpful. The whole Porsche extended warranty thing is an admin nightmare. Loads of non-OPC dealers advertise cars with Porsche Extended Warranty even though non-OPCs can’t do this. And when I bought my current car from an OPC with Porsche Extended Warranty, I received four “welcome to your Porsche Extended Warranty” packs over the following 3 weeks followed by another three when I advised them of a change in registration!

 
This post has been the best idea, thanks for the feedback. I agree, the guy in the glass office could/should have shut this down two weeks ago. The poor girl in the middle was really trying to help me.

Anyway, I’ve just mentioned the content of this thread to my friend with the GT3 he bought that last year from a non-Porsche dealership, let’s say he’s making a call in the morning to see where he stands with his OP warranty.

 
My tuppence..

the question "Cazoo advert was poor on detail, can you tell me everything that car actually has please?" wouldn't, to my mind, suggest you are enquiring whether the car is under warranty, more about its specification.

I can't see that the OPC has done anything wrong... if you'd purchased their warranty, after paying their rates to service it, that would be a different issue.

im interested to hear if the Porsche warranty transferred to you.

 
If a car is sold by a non OPC dealer the warranty can be transferred to the new owner providing the car had been sold SOR on behalf of the original owner.

 
That's a good point, as SoR is basically a facilitated private sale isn't it? Doesn't apply to the Cazoo purchase but it might to the OP's friend with the GT3...

 
Yes, that’s my understanding of the situation Dave and is why some Porsche Independents (RPM Technik for example) will offer a SOR option for owners with a current Porsche Extended Warranty.

Jeff

 
SouthCaveCayman said:
Sorry guys, whats an SOR?

"Sale or Return". The dealer never owns the car, doesn't buy it from the seller, they just act as an agent and take a fee. The car goes from seller to buyer without an extra dealer owner on the V5 [:)]

 
Also from what I know if you buy a used car from a non Porsche dealer you require to wait 90 days before you can apply for a warranty then the car must have a 111 point check and the last service done at a OPC before they can puta warranty on it .If it is SOR the warranty passes to the new owner and provided it has had its last service done warranty can be applied with out a 111point check. Know of one person who got a major service done at a Porsche specialist then decided weeks later to apply for a warranty and was told we need to do a full service again and a check before they would consider a warranty .

 
What a nightmare situation. I hope it all sorts itself out for you.

FWIW I've got my first service in March 2024 at which point I intend to purchase a 12 month extended warranty which, I'm led to believe, will start when my 3 year warranty ends but I could be wrong though however reading the Porsche warranty page, as long as the car is in warranty it does not need an 111 point check when purchasing an extension. This will then take me to my 4 year service where I'll renew the warranty by another 2 years and will continue to do this for subsequent renewals. Fingers crossed that's how it works anyway.

Dan

 
Scrounger said:
What a nightmare situation. I hope it all sorts itself out for you.

FWIW I've got my first service in March 2024 at which point I intend to purchase a 12 month extended warranty which, I'm led to believe, will start when my 3 year warranty ends but I could be wrong though however reading the Porsche warranty page, as long as the car is in warranty it does not need an 111 point check when purchasing an extension. This will then take me to my 4 year service where I'll renew the warranty by another 2 years and will continue to do this for subsequent renewals. Fingers crossed that's how it works anyway.

Dan

Thanks Dan. Unfortunately I've not got a leg to stand on, the above comments and kind of lead back to the very helpful guy in a glass room that could have simply pointed me to the below.

Exact wording on the T&C's for Change of Vehicle Ownership.

"In the event that Your Vehicle is sold during the Period of Cover to a private buyer or to a Porsche Centre/Porsche Service Centre, the Policy shall continue in force in relation to the Vehicle.

In the event that the Vehicle is sold by You during the Period of Cover to a non-private buyer such as a commercial dealer or reseller that is not a Porsche Centre/Porsche Service Centre, the Policy shall terminate automatically and You shall be entitled to receive a pro rata refund for the unexpired Period of Cover as at the date of sale. In order to claim the pro rata refund You must notify any Porsche Centre/Porsche Service Centre in writing, submitting appropriate evidence. The Policy is not transferable to any other vehicle than that shown on the Porsche Approved Warranty Certificate."

One thing that hasn't been mentioned in the thread above is "...and You shall be entitled to receive a pro rata refund for the unexpired Period of Cover as at the date of sale" so maybe this thread can help someone else in the future as I have an assumption (yeah, I know they're a bad idea) that the poor bugger before me didn't know they could get a refund, hence why I got the PGB letter.

 
For info, my paperwork states that the pro-rata refund is only available if you haven't made a claim on the policy...

 

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