944 turbo
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DavidL
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LSD and bigger brakes - yes (I think!) MO30 - no only if specced from new. Check the options list in the handbook or on the slip of paper behind the boot carpet by the lock. This will tell you most of these things as there is often a code for some the optional extras that became standard. A quick hunt will find you a decode site for the options codes.
James_G
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A very timely question, particularly in respect of the brakes. Does this mean that in 1990 there were three different caliper sizes on the 944 range? My thinking is; 1. 944 S2 brakes (same size as 220 bhp Turbos) 2. 944 Turbo brakes (i.e. 250 bhp model) 3. MO30 Brakes (as fitted to Turbos and rarely but occasionally S2s) And am I right in thinking that 1990 Turbo and S2 brakes are interchangeable (albeit different sizes) but that MO30 brakes require specific hubs as they mount differently?? Thanks.
sawood12
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In 1990 there were two types of brakes fitted to the 944 turbo/S2 models. The S2 was fitted with the 'small' blacks (the same as the earlier 220 turbo's) and the '90 turbo's were fitted with the 'medium' black calipers. I'm pretty sure that all the later non-M030 250 turbo's had the medium black calipers (were any 250 turbo's fitted with small blacks?), but if you got an M030 equipped S2 or an M030 equipped early turbo then you'd also get the brake upgrade to medium blacks. Then of course all the other 944's had single pot floating calipers. Also as far as I can tell all 250 turbos were fitted with the LSD and oil cooler equipped gearbox as standard.
u63af
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I have a 1990 s2 M030. Which I am assuming has the medium black brembos. So what is different about the M030 944 turbo and the 1990 standard turbo? Does the standard 90 turbo not have konis or 26.8mm arbs? The only reason that I am asking is that I am considering selling my s2 to get a turbo but as mine is a M030 I want to make sure it would have the same brakes. It seems to be hard to find a clean turbo.
Just to confirm, this is correct. LSD is listed in the option list on any 944 that has (or originally had) one fitted, as option 220. It's easy to check the option sheet, and not much harder to confirm it's presence (with both rear wheels off the ground & the car in neutral rotate one wheel, if it has an LSD the other wheel will turn the same way, if no LSD it will turn in the opposite direction). Konis were the shock used on the '88 'S' and '89 turbos, the later ones had 'uprated' shocks (and springs) but there were a couple of different versions. Whatever shocks were originally fitted will be pretty worn out by now anyway so the exact make isn't all that important.
sawood12
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The non-M030 1990 turbo had the medium blacks but didn't have the Koni adjustable suspension. The early turbo's and S2's have the same suspension and over this setup the non-M030 turbo's had uprated TB's and ARB's and I think had uprated front springs but not adjustable. M030 provided the adjustable front struts and rear shock absorbers as well as one or two other items such as top mounts, A-arms and some other bushes. I'm not sure of all the relative spring and damper rates - though I have seen a good website at some stage which listed all that sort of detail but didn't bookmark it.
Gordon Attar
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If you are in the South of the country you may want to have a look at my 1990 model which is at Northways. Regards Gordon
appletonn
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...something like this perhaps?! [link=http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/834176.htm]http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/834176.htm[/link]ORIGINAL: u63af Gordon, Thanks for the reply. I really like the look of your car but due to starting a new business can only afford to spend £5k on a turbo and I will wait for a credit crunch bargain []
DavidL
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Sadly it almost certainly will! If you are being pragmatic you will look at the price you will get for yours and then consider what you would be saving on a turbo. If it helps take what you would really like for yours, say 5k, and then what a decent turbo (like Gordon's) should cost, say 7.5k, and focus on the cost to change rather than the actual figures involved. I did that on our newest Impreza and it made the seemingly poor px look a bit better. Honest. That D plate turbo looks really nice but you never can tell until you are there and really not until you have run it for a couple of months.ORIGINAL: u63af [
Gordon Attar
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The biggest item to consider with the cheaper cars is how much you will need to spend to bring them up to scratch, in my case it was a few thousand.(i.e. £700 + for a belt change if the history isnt 100%) The red car seems very cheap, but its lacking a lot of information and being serviced at a main dealer is strange as well as the no sterio and D90's or perhaps the owner doesnt know what he has! as he hasnt mentioned 250 version or 'S' or 'SE' etc. Its well worth a quick visit. Good luck with the search. Gordon
EddySpaghetti
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Hi U63af, What is the spec of your S2? I am looking for a good one and have struggled - typical, I should have bought the first one that I saw which ended up being the best of the 4 or 5 I have seen. I need to sell a 1.9 Peugeot 205 GTi if anyone is interested - its a Condition 1 car in steel grey with a rare green fleck half leather interior, pre cat. Cheers, Ed
James_G
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Gordon Had a look at your car when I was at Northway last week. Looks very nice, and I am big fan of the colour and Clubsport wheels that it has. If I had my time again, I would be looking for a Turbo, but as it is Northway were very complimentary about my car so I am very pleased to be keeping it. Good luck with the sale. James
Gordon Attar
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Thanks James I wasnt aware they were the Clubsport wheels , I thought they were the standard SE Turbo alloys. I'm a bit surprised it hasnt sold as colours reasonably rare and suits the car. Regards Gordon
Gordon Attar
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Well Adrian Do let us all have the link as I cant find it!! By the way the car was advertised on Piston heads in September/October for £6900 and wasnt on there in November or December!!
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