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964 Engine rebuild-top & bottom

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Hi everyone,

my question, has anyone had a top & bottom end rebuild done of their engine and if so, what is the running in procedure...i.e don't go above 3000 revs for 1000 miles or avoid motorways......I am about to buy/pick up a car that has had this work carried out and because its a weekend car I want to bed teh new engine in one or two days..in theory can i just get on the motorway, drive to scotland and back at a gentle-ish pace and get it bedded in this way?

many thanks
 
I think getting on the motorway is probably the worst thing you could do. Running in new parts is all about variation without strain. Limited revs in the first few hundred miles, always change down early and don't labour the engine. Build up the revs as mileage builds in short bursts with occasional red line runs once you've seen a couple of thousand miles.

I'm sure there are a thousand theories abvout running in - and you'll probably get a good sample of them here - but that's my 2 penn'orth.

Regards

Dave
 
Would agree with Dave. I would start the engine and warm it up for maybe 1 min, then for the first 500 miles gently aceelerate and use the gears and not exceed 4000 revs. The main thing are not to rev when cold, don't go over 4000 revs (or so) and dont' keep the revs on the same level. After around 500 then gently increase revs so that by 1500 miles you are going to 5500 or so, and then to 2000 miles touching 6000 briefly. I would not red line it until after the first oil change at around 2500 miles. I would then increase the full throttle bit every so often and from around 3000 start to not think about running in. Throughout try no to have the engine run at the same revs for a long time - hence not having much motorway driving, and if you have to, do some in 5th gear and then some in 4th and move the needle a little.
 
If I had newly rebuilt engine I'd be changing the oil and filter at 500 and 1500 miles. Providing you've run the engine up to max revs gradually and in bursts it should be good to go at after 1500 miles. Drain the oil at 500 miles, put some in a shallow tray and in the sunlight watch the metal particles glisten, if you don't change it those particles will compromise your new engines ultimate performance.
 
Thats great advice, thank you. A mixture of patience and variation required. It's my first 911 so I guess it will give me a chance to get used to the car!

Jerome
 

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Jerome,
These days, newly manufactured engines are built to close tolerances so the 'old days' running in procedures are less (but not irr-) relevant.

Race engines for example can never be run in so they are built accordingly.

so: Who built the engine?
& What do they say about running it in?

I thought we were talking about a rebuilt 964 not a brand new 997? [;)]
 
I had a full rebuild done by GT1 last year - their running-in advice was pretty much as Dave and Alexander mention above. Gradually build up the rev limit and don't keep the engine at the same revs for too long. Took about 2000 miles, then they changed the oil and checked valve clearances.
 
Hi,

its a 1993 Tiptronic 964 with a top and bottom end rebuild, if it is ready on Saturday I will get the full sp I imagine from Specialist Cars Malton who are prepping it, will post pics ASAP too as having it sprayed lowered and cup wheels sprayed black...A 'new' old car if you like.

Jerome
 
Sorry this is a bit of a late post, been in egypt for the last week, and the pyramids havent been fitted out with wifi yet [;)]

theres three important functions that running in an engine provides...

1) remove small surface defects from cylinder bores, bearing surfaces, valve guides, etc. at lower speeds
2) bed in bearings, rings, gaskets, etc. at lower pressures/speeds
3) lubricate and penetrate all the nooks and crannies and plump-up any rubber seals; this is important as dry seals crack and small spaces harbour contamination and machining debris

Theres one thing thats critical to all three functions and often overlooked... OIL!!!

Hopefully your engine builder gave you an idea of 1st and 2nd oil-change period, and will have filled the engine with "running in" oil. This is typically thinner (however modern fully synth oils like castrol edge are getting very thin now anyway) and helps with all 3 functions; penetrating components, seals, flushing out debris, and reducing load on the engine. This also effects cooling in aircooled engines, so you need to be a bit careful with that side of things too, hence on air cooled engines Ive re-built in the past (mostly VW's) Ive used a thin standard oil like 0W30..

The change periods should be fairly short. I would typically use 500 miles and 1000 miles as the first two change periods, so you've covered 500 miles at lower speeds/throttle openings on something like 0W oil, then another 1000 at slightly higher engine speeds with the occasional blast upto say 4,500 - 5,000rpm adn towards the end some full throttle runs although not from low engine speeds so as to keep the loads a bit lower. For this 1000 miles I would run something like 5w oil, then switch to the oil you intend to run with the car day-to-day (10w40 or whatever). When you change the oil use decent filters!.. This part of running the vehicle in is a clean-up operation, and the filter quality/grade is as important as the oil; if it doesnt catch 1/2 the small particulates, its not worth it.. Considering the costs involved with the filters Id use OEM genuine parts for piece of mind

Even though the engines been re-built, and assuming you havent had all of the anciliaries like oil pump/cooler/lines, etc replaced, I would use an oil suited to higer mileage engines once running in is completed. This will help out the oil pump and the cooling side of the oil system by maintaining decent oil pressure. If you have had all of these parts replaced, it might be that you want to run a thinner oil but I wouldnt use a "new engine" oil as it will be a bit thin still

End of the day, and assuming your engine was rebuilt with a waranty/guarantee of some sort, I would go back to the people who did it and ask their advice; last thing you want is to have a problem and them not honour the guarantee because you didnt follow their prefered running in procedures [:mad:]

Ridiculously long post, and probably a bit after the fact.. sorry for taking up so much space and if you made it this far, go get your self a beer and have a lie down [:D]

ben

PS.. I worked for a race engines company in Oxford building engines for touring cars and Lemans cars. They were never "run in" as such, however the level of machining and component matching that went on was un believeable compared with a production car or an engine re-build in a normal garage/shop. Polising sealing faces on blocks and heads for instance might take a couple of days for one engine, or the best part of a week for an engine with multiple heads. The engines then undergo a "hard run in" process, currently used by honda on their superbikes and type-r cars.. The factory and then the dealer basically thrash the tits off the engine for about 20 miles from new, then it goes out to the customer. The thinking behind that is it knocks all the lumps off and pressurizes everything quickly... personally i think its asking for trouble; see important function 3!

PPS.. Agree with others views, keep the revs between 2,000 and 3,500rpm; dont over-rev the engine, but dont make it labour either; this increases pressures on bearings and things which need time to bed in and settle
 
PPPS!!!...

Does the 964 have a magnetic sump/tank plug? If not I would consider fitting one; this will help once running in is completed by catching chunks that might otherwise lurk in any sludge that may accumulate in the tank/sump.. I would spend the money on a proper one though; I once re-built a rotary engine for a guy who made his own with a standard plug a magnet and a bit of araldite.. needless to say the magnet came unstuck and foosed the engine!!!.. all for the sake of a tenner ;)
 
Ben,

thank you very much for the informative post, I didn't actually pick the 964 up in th end as it wasn't ready, looking good for this Saturday though..

You have given me lots to think about and I will be sure to follow the advice.

Will let you knwo how it goes.

Thanks again,

Jerome
 
Here's an update......I ran the car in for 1000 miles as specialist instructed but it was dripping a touch of oil....Had oil changed and it was dripping a touch more....Got to drive it in spirited fashion for short while after waiting for car to be sprayed etc.......Has been sent back to specialist (on flatbed which they organised) to have oil leak looked at, as engine was COMPLETELY rebuilt to cure oil leak in first place.....To mend is an 'engine out' job....

These things happen.....but a shame ......Also leaking power steering fluid too according to my London specialist.......?

Thanks to everyone for running in advice........Car was amazing to drive after 2.5 Boxster......Knockout to look at in viper green too but sadly we are parted for a bit!

Jerome
 

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