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964 Now Eligible for Historic Racing

carreraboy

carreraboy

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Posted this also on the 964 Forum, thought there would be an out pouring of enthusiasm, guess I should have posted here being the race and track focussed lot we are ..... does this mean maybe Silverstone Classic etc I would guess still too new for Goodwood, maybe Lord March could be persuaded to do a demonstration Cup Car Race at Revival .... Cant think of any other Closed Marque racers that followed the F1 Circuit round, can just see Hakkinen taking the grid and stonling it from the start, happy Days .... [:D]
 
I was impressed at the Mk 1Lotus Cortina's at Silverstone back in the Summer....great commitment, they wrung every last ounce of grip and power from them.

Not sure the tiptronic's and C4's would be suited to that, but then again, who had the RS tip, was that Rohrl?

Any way, I suspect the Grid of RS's could be fairly small - some-one drove the price of 'em up too high [:)]

Happy new Year

George
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George there is a 964 M700 Cup Amongst here Tiptronic ex Wally RollBar .... And I doubt there would be a lack of contenders for the Cup Grid, the call here and beyond would bring them .... some with the same chassis number[&:]
 
Be good seeing the car back in action as it was intended Hugh, so glad it never vanished overseas never to be seen again, you snatched it from the Jaws of Tomas's transporter as we know[:)]
 
Yes Des, turns out that deal worked out well - I remain grateful. Although I seem to have vanished overseas, I'll be back to the race for sure.
 
I'm sure that it's not considered "proper" historic racing but the 964 has been eligible for CSCC Future and Modern Classics from the start, including the annual trip race at Spa. There have been a couple of 964s race, albeit not original RS.
 
The Carrera Cup, and turbo Cup series before it were seriously competitive - which is exactly how it should be.
Would be hard to gather up a good set of Original 64 RS's for a thrashing like that today, but even 9 tenths and no contact would be fun....[8|]
That famous Mercedes 190 Cosworth race was similarly competitive, 4 wheel drifts in the dry - right to the outside kerb, lap after lap
Good to hear the RS tiptronic is still around, cars like that are important (literally 1 off I think?)
Once drove a Sportomatic 2.2 - it had very soft rear torsion bars I recall, enabling the front wheel to dangle nicely at enthusiastic but not insane speeds..[:D] .......Just don't lift off [;)]

George
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ORIGINAL: George Elliott

Good to hear the RS tiptronic is still around, cars like that are important (literally 1 off I think?)
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Yes, 1 off. (It´s a 1990 Cup, not an RS. No RS with tiptronic made.) Still around and in good condition.

Hacki
 
Des,
I thought the cut off was 1990?
Good news for early cup cars but not for the RS unless the Fia considers thme a 'continuation'
Tony
 
Andy, I've race with CSCC (not in the porsche) but watched future classics. To be honest, I wasnt comfortable putting the RS in them. It much more like sprint racing as opposed to Historics. I would guess most of us who want to race these cars are looking for something that is more like the racing you see at goodwood revival or spa classic.
 
I understand not wanting to put a genuine RS in to a club race but I'd argue that the driving standards in CSCC are (generally) better than at the Goodwood Revival!!!!

I suppose that if you want to race a 964 (but keep your RS safe) then you could easily do that in Future Classics and I bet the racing experience is not far removed!
 
I agree that the standards in the CSCC are good, thats partly why we started racing with them. However, I really want to race the RS. I've got cheaper cars to race for sprint racing than the a 964. Although I understand the appeal.

Yes goodwood is aggressive at the front, but not at the back. Same with spa classic, silverstone etc. Where as the back of a lot of club sprint racing is or can be pretty hairy.

I'm not at all criticising the CSCC, just that if you race a car valued at six figures, with cars worth 10k, the outcome and risks for drivers are too different (for me at least).
 
It is a fact that although racing is supposed to be a zero contact sport, it is impossible to "race" without putting the car at risk.

I am reminded of the start of the first PCChampionship race at Oulton Park in 2013 when Pete Morris and Marcus Carniel were 1 and 2 on the grid.

Neither of them would give quarter at the first corner (Old Hall ?), there was a slight coming together on cold tyres which resulted in both cars cartwheeling over the barrier on the outside of the corner, writing off both cars.

I remember asking Pete what he got for scrap -- he said £75. Even the engine mounts were smashed --- and the shell had been acid etch lightened and then strengthened at a cost of £7000 ...

You wouldn't want to play blink with a fast peugeot 106 would you .... [:mad:]





 

ORIGINAL: Tony

Des,
I thought the cut off was 1990?
Good news for early cup cars but not for the RS unless the Fia considers thme a 'continuation'
Tony
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I am reliably informed its from the Launch date, so ANY 964, C4/2 RS, Cup etc for any year following .....
 
Des - thats my understanding too.

Chris - yep, seen similar things happen (we all have). You want to race with people that think like you. If you go sprint racing in a cheap car and arent worried about swapping a bit of paint, you want everyone to be like that. If you race some homologation special you want to be with people who want some fun, but want to walk away. And everything in between.

The next few years should be fun with respect to being able to race RSs / cups in historic style racing.
 
It's the homologation year that's important. Thereby any 964 made in or after 1990 is elgible.
 
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