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Hi everyone. I would be really grateful if you could offer your opinions on whether I would be better of buying a 964 or 993. I will have a budget of approx £18k. I have never owned a Porsche but have owned many VW Beetles and have always dreamed of having a 911. Many thanks for your help.
 
Yanto had both.....drive both but 993 more modern platform suspension etc although 964 more endearing and better looks IMHO...early 964 oil leaks should be sorted by now...go for manual 993 C2 Coupe if you can again my personal view....
 
cb - thanks for your opinion. What were the issues re oil leaks with the 964 please? Whichever model I decide to purchase, I want a coupe and not a targa or convertible. Is there a great deal of difference performance wise between the two models?
 
Ian,

I suspect your budget is going to make a hard decision even more difficult since it falls smack bang in the middle of the two choices. For around £18K you'll get a very good 964 or a slightly questionable 993.

The oil leak issue is likely to affect the early 964s although not exclusively - many, if not most, suffer to a degree. Your budget should get you clear of the early ones any way. If you aim for 92-93 cars you should avoid many of the early problems, although bear in mind that most of these cars will be heading towards 100K miles now and are likely to need some attention. Again, your budget should enable you to concentrate on cars which have already had top end rebuilds and clutch/flywheel work.

The £18K budget will just about get you into 993 territory but it's going to be early non-Varioram cars and, perhaps, LHD as well. I'm sure the cars are available but much, much more limited choice than 964.

Anyway - how can you expect an unbiased opinion on a 964 forum???

Good luck with the search - either car will excite you I'm sure. The final choice might just come down to which LOOKS better - and that's always a purely personal opinion.

Regards

Dave
 
£18k will get you a beautiful 964.
Preferably one with a recent clutch, top end engine rebuild, teardrop mirrors and Cup 1 alloy wheels.

The 993 is arguably the better all round car but, as has been said, for £18k you will be buying into a car which will need some money spent on it.

Go 964 and buy a car in great condition with no major bills looming
 
You'll get a much fitter/healthier 964 for your money.

I currently have a 993, but previously owned a 964. As a rule of thumb, comparable cars (mileage, history condition) will vary by £10 - £15k in my experience.

My dad's 964 is currently for sale (yes, I this is an unashamed plug) at £17,950 ono, and is superb throughout, but I would expect that a similar 993 (ie desirable colour, low mileage etc, etc, etc) to be more like £28 - £30k.

Yes, you can probably get a (RHD) 993 for £18k, but it will typically have well over 100k miles, and will almost inevitably need (potentially expensive) work doing.

I'm happy to discuss pro's and cons further if you wish.

Mark Roberts
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This is an interestring thread because I too am in a similar dilemma (although i've still got to win the negotiation with the wife to buy a 2nd Porsche so i'm probably jumping the gun somewhat!!). I have been swinging between the two - the more classic look of the 964 is appealing however my perception is that the 993 might be the better drivers car (sorry if that is a highly controversial statement!!) as it has the double wishbone rear LSA axel. I'd be very interested in the opinions of people who have driven both to either put me right or reinforce my perception.
 
I´m with you, Scott,

had both, two standard 964 and still have a standard 993 and a 964 Cup Car (all 2 wheel drive, from my point of you forget the 4WDs).

The 993 is potentially the better daily driver, the LSA axle for sure is a step forward and the running cost of a 993 are lower.

But: For the original 911 feeling, the 964 is the choice. Its´got the pure look, it is one of the real things. The rear suspension? No problem, it handles good enough if you want to keep your license. I would go for a later model (better rear brakes, airbag, tear drop mirrors, etc.) that is well kept. Very important, otherwise you have to invest at least 3,500 EURO to have a straight car.
Moneywise, a 964 is the choice anyway in comparison to a 993. In Germany 964 prices are rising, so buying now IMO is smart.

If I were a 911 rookie, no doubt, it would be a 964 coupe, nice colour, 17" wheels, 1" lowered with standard springs and shocks to keep it comfortable. Leather interior, AC and well maintained, no crash (or I definitely konow who rebuilt it) You´ll have a car for lifetime then, if you want.

Have my 964 Cup Car for 15yrs now, won´t sell it, if I don´t have to. (Broke or insane)

Hope that helps,

Rgds

Hacki
 
As a VW Beetle ( 1969 rag top) and 964 owner I am firmly with the 964. I use mine every day and find it a dream to drive. I had a 993 for about six months and loved it but it was 120K on the clock and was needing alot of work. My 964 is an 89 C4 with 66k on the clock. I have fettled her inc bonnet respray, brakes, tyres and clutch etc all for about 18k. She is now truely sorted and great fun.....unfortunately I am now off to Dubai and she will be for sale soon. Not a happy day.

I will be going for a 964 in the roasting Middle East . One question did they ever come with factory a/c.

David
 
Thanks for your insight Hacki. To be honest i'm pretty much 80% decided on the 964, partly due to the 'top end 964 for bottom end 993 money' money argument as well as the more classic look of the 964. I'm sure the handling of the car will be more than a match for my driving skills!

I'm intrigued by your comment about the comparative running costs of the 964 vs. 993 though. As they both share the same engine and therefore, I assume, clutch and transmission, i'm surprised there are any significant differences as such. I've been lead to believe that by now on pretty much all 964's the original teething problems should be sorted out (dual mass flywheel issue, dizzy cap issue etc.).

Anyway for me this is all academic until I get the nod from the wife! Good luck with your ultimate decision Yanto!
 
Scott,

engines are different. E. g. 964 valves have to be adjusted by hand, 993 hydraulic, no adjustment necessary. Think about the time the mechanic spends on the valves....

Anyway, a 964 is it!

Rgds

Hacki
 
I had done all the research for the best value for money, around £15k, everyday Porsche.
I came up with the 964 C2 Targa Tip.
I found a Florio one and I bought it, http://www.theadamops.net/theadamops/pussies/all.html
In a sunny weekday I enjoy it more than the 996tt.
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