964 RS prices
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Maybe £35k for what is lowish milage (either 30 or 50). Assume you have looked at GT Classics (have a word with Paul McLean - knows his stuff) and German Sports Cars (Hermanns & Schmitz) as those are always nice quality cars. Indeed is where mine came from! More about condition than mileage so wouldn't worry whether 30 or 50.
SimonExtreme
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You might not find a lot of difference in price between them. It depends on history, assuming the bodies are both in good nick.
As an example, my car had an above average body and 52K on the clock. I looked at cars with lower milage, including a 35K car which had a body as good if not a little better. So, why did I pay £2K more for mine? Because in the past 2 years and 2500 miles it had over £12k spent on suspension and brakes, which were all replaced. Combine perfect suspension and brakes with an engine that leak tested as good as you can get and good power, it was a no brainer.
Having driven or been in a fair number of cars now, I am still convinced I did the right thing. A 14 year old car with original components and poor maintainance will never be as good a buy as one that has been cared for and had all new parts. Milage is irrelevent.
As an example, my car had an above average body and 52K on the clock. I looked at cars with lower milage, including a 35K car which had a body as good if not a little better. So, why did I pay £2K more for mine? Because in the past 2 years and 2500 miles it had over £12k spent on suspension and brakes, which were all replaced. Combine perfect suspension and brakes with an engine that leak tested as good as you can get and good power, it was a no brainer.
Having driven or been in a fair number of cars now, I am still convinced I did the right thing. A 14 year old car with original components and poor maintainance will never be as good a buy as one that has been cared for and had all new parts. Milage is irrelevent.
Guest
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Did you import the car yourself, I have looked at the Herman & Schmitz site and their prices seem the same as the UK cars of simalar milage and condition but more of them to select from. I have left a couple of messages for paul McLean to call me back but no response as yet, on Pauls web site he mentions Thomas schmitz as his agent in Germany is this the same man as in Herman & Schmitz and if so how does that work regarding prices when buying through Paul or direct with Thomas
Dick
Wait till after Sept 4 when the prices are bound to fall after they get thrashed by the GT3 mob at North Weald.[
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Kevin
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Kevin
As a keen follower of RS prices, I agree with the general ballpark figure quoted.....one factor which seems to make a huge difference in recent times is colour.....RS' in desirable colours as in maritime blue, mint green...maybe white ( so Des doesn't go into one) seem to sell easily and command a premium......some of the more generic black and red cars seem to hang around, even at decent prices forever.....rubystone red, seems to be a real "marmite" colour....looks good on an RS, but nowhere near as easy to move as maritime blue or mint or signal green.
Tom is the same man as H&S. Paul will come back to you, but bear in mind he is a one man show and does this for fun rather than being a 20 man outfit. I think he's racing his 992 GT2R this weekend so prob been bit tied up!
I bought mine from Paul, but I have afriend who bought his from Tom and went over to pick it up. There is some fun in grabbing the keys and then driving home for 5 hours. I think it's only minor hassle to register the car in UK assuming it's a regular road going version and already German registered; not expensive either.
Both are trustowrthy chaps and you are unlikely to find anyone who's not happy with their cars from these guys.
I bought mine from Paul, but I have afriend who bought his from Tom and went over to pick it up. There is some fun in grabbing the keys and then driving home for 5 hours. I think it's only minor hassle to register the car in UK assuming it's a regular road going version and already German registered; not expensive either.
Both are trustowrthy chaps and you are unlikely to find anyone who's not happy with their cars from these guys.
Mr Dick do not go colour but condition of a 15 year old car take the history with a little pinch of salt buy LHD will have higher residual and pan-Worldwide market.....they are all vey individual after market cars.that's how Porsche intended so engine tweeks cages etc ALL GOOD...........A good website for the 964RS Novice www.badgerbadgerbadger.com []
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SimonExtreme
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DickORIGINAL: carreraboy
Mr Dick do not go colour but condition of a 15 year old car take the history with a little pinch of salt buy LHD will have higher residual and pan-Worldwide market.....they are all vey individual after market cars.that's how Porsche intended so engine tweeks cages etc ALL GOOD...........A good website for the 964RS Novice www.badgerbadgerbadger.com [
Don't listen to the man! Recent history is THE most important factor in choosing your car. That is what will tell you about the condition. If it isn't obvious from the history, get it inspected.
WRT history, what you are looking for is a car that has been maintained by a recognised specialist for the last 3-4 years. This does not include OPC's!! The good specialists, such as GT - One, write full reports at every major service so you can see everything they find that is wrong and check that it has been sorted. in addition, they should be prepared to talk about the car. If ther car doesn't have a history, get it inspected by somebody who really knows or, to make things easy, buy it from Paul!!!!
As for RHD vs LHD, again Des is talking rubbish. Residuals don't come into play because the cars are going up in value. As for which will see the most growth in value, I doubt there will be much difference, % wise. The people who buy RHD wouldn't buy LHD and you know if you are one of them. RHD cars drive just as well as a LHD car. Both have ofset pedals, offset steering wheels and the pedal to steering wheel position wrong! It's just that they are wrong in different ways!!
Did you do the Ring on export plates? I was planning on doing the same when I picked up my 64RS in Holland last year, but read that vehicles on temporary plates are not allowed on the Ring, so came straight home!
Importing a car from Germany is no real hassle. The most complicated bit is getting the car de-registered and exported from Germany, when it would help if you have someone (perhaps a dealer) who is familiar with the system. The UK side is pretty straightforward.
chfs911
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I got the car on original German plates and paperwork. I had to send these back to get the car deregistered in Germany once I was home.
I was covered by my insurance Company, Clasicline to drive at Spa the day after I collected the car.
Good service I thought! I'll bring in the car if anybody wants, no problem. I will even do the paperwork for a small fee.
Charles
I was covered by my insurance Company, Clasicline to drive at Spa the day after I collected the car.
Good service I thought! I'll bring in the car if anybody wants, no problem. I will even do the paperwork for a small fee.
Charles
lee fulford
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NOT TRUE.......I owned a RHD RS prior to my current LHD.
We've had this arguement on this forum many times and it's getting boring but in the interest of this thread LHD driving position is not Offset...RHD is. Having said that you do get use to RHD after you've managed a few emergency stops whilst trying to depress the clutch.[&:]
I'm sorry but LHD for me any day.
SimonExtreme
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Lee
I am sorry to say but there is offset in LHD cars. It is less than on RHD ones and the steering wheel is still offset as well - or at least on the LHD cars I have driven! It would only really be an issue if the driving position was perfect in LHD and not in RHD. However, they are both flawed. Th pedal offset on a RHD car is nowhere near as bad as, for instance, on a Saab. I find it hard to believe that people are really hitting the clutch rather than the brake but maybe this explains why Saabs are built so strong, to allow for all the accidents due to bad pedal position[
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Simon I DID'NT WANT YOU TO KNOW BUT..............
RHD RS built on C2 Shell....
LHD RS designed built from scatch to homologate later SUPERCUP Series....there are a number of differences to the chassis thats why no Clubsport RHD or indeed RHD Cup Car.....
LHD prices are now the same as I predicted 4 years ago.....
1. Europe has the roads for the RS
2. That's how Porsche intended it
3. Japs will only buy LHD
4. Worldwide market
5. Looks better
6. Supercup Homologated Chassis
7. No Power Steering
8. Pedals and driving position perfect
9. Authentic
10. Like winding you up
RHD RS built on C2 Shell....
LHD RS designed built from scatch to homologate later SUPERCUP Series....there are a number of differences to the chassis thats why no Clubsport RHD or indeed RHD Cup Car.....
LHD prices are now the same as I predicted 4 years ago.....
1. Europe has the roads for the RS
2. That's how Porsche intended it
3. Japs will only buy LHD
4. Worldwide market
5. Looks better
6. Supercup Homologated Chassis
7. No Power Steering
8. Pedals and driving position perfect
9. Authentic
10. Like winding you up
SimonExtreme
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DesORIGINAL: carreraboy
Simon I DID'NT WANT YOU TO KNOW BUT..............
RHD RS built on C2 Shell....
LHD RS designed built from scatch to homologate later SUPERCUP Series....there are a number of differences to the chassis thats why no Clubsport RHD or indeed RHD Cup Car.....
LHD prices are now the same as I predicted 4 years ago.....
1. Europe has the roads for the RS
2. That's how Porsche intended it
3. Japs will only buy LHD
4. Worldwide market
5. Looks better
6. Supercup Homologated Chassis
7. No Power Steering
8. Pedals and driving position perfect
9. Authentic
10. Like winding you up
Yet again, with all due respects to your vast knowledge, you are spouting BS!
Both RHD and LHD are based on C2 chassis and had exactly the same modifications done to them. The shells are, in fact, the same. They were modified in the same factory and it was only after the shells were done that some were then built as RHD cars.
To take your points
1. So what! Are you saying that no RS shouold be driven on the UK roads? In fact, with the power steering, one might argue that the RHD cars are far better suited to UK conditions and that LHD are unsuitable.
2. You keep saying that it is how Porsche intended it. When the RS was announced, they announced both LHD and RHD. The RHD was not an after thought.
3. Japs will only buy LHD of many cars, it's their culture and gives them more street cred because they trhen stick out from the crowd. It's not because they are better.
4. It is not a worldwide market! You cannot take a European RS to the USA or (I believe) Canada. You cannot take an LHD to Australia, South Africa and many other countries. The market for LHD cars is primarily Europe and very few cars, if any, get sold back there. In fact, for a while the cars in Europe seemed to be more expensive than in the UK.
5. How can a man who puts silly headlight covers on say anything about looks[
]6. There is no difference in the chassis. In addition, unless rules have changed, you don't homologate cars for a one make series.
7. Not having power steering is a big negative for the LHD cars, if you intend to actually drive them regularly rather than just keep them in a garage and use them for occasional trackdays. I use my car almost every day and it would be a pain without power steering. And power steering would only be a problem if the system was a bad one but the feel from it is as good as it gets. As a popint of interest, these days it is accepted that tintop race cars should have power steering.
8. The pedals and steering are not perfect on a LHD car. The pedals are offset, just by a different amount than on a RHD car. The steering wheel is nowhere near perfect which is why so nay use non oem ones and boses to change the position.
9. My car is an authentic RHD RS. Yours is an authentic LHD RS.
10. I accept you are winding me up and to some extent, that is OK. However, given your position as 964RS Register Assistant and that it says that on your sig. there are people who don't know it's a wind up and you are posting things that are simply incorrect. You have a responsibilty to post accurate stuff. Winding up about LHD being better is one thing and is good banter. Printing totally incorrect facts is another. I am happy to keep banter going about which is better for as long as people want, but I won't stand by and watch somebody who is meant to be part of the establishment post total BS.
On a final note, at the last judgement day, I believe a RHD car was the fastest 964RS in EVERY event. Maybe its a better car, after all![
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The 964RS was a fresh build to homologate the N/GT and Supercup Series replacing the C2 Chassis totally, the 92 Cup Cars ran the new 964RS Chassis (the series 1 Cup Cars were based on the C2 Chassis) as did the later 3.8RS/RSR Racers which conquered all.
PS. Simon would be genuinely interested to know if you pull your carpet back and tell me do you have the fixings on the rear shelf for a three point harness and also do you have underseal?
PS. Simon would be genuinely interested to know if you pull your carpet back and tell me do you have the fixings on the rear shelf for a three point harness and also do you have underseal?
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