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964 RS vs 964 RS CS

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Does anyone have any useful info on the time difference on a few tracks, as well as car feel between a 964RS with a bolted cage and one with a welded cage (club sport?).
Thanks
JM
 
It was a bad car... Had someone look at it in Germany. Owner forgot to mention a rear left shunt and that the 2 front frame rails had been replaced... Credibility took a hit and I decided not to go see it in person.
It's so frustrating to find a good car... I want a 964 or 993 RS CS, preferably a 993 and just can't seem to find any priced half decently or half decent cars....
Anyway, do you have any knowledge about bolted vs welded cages? My 993 supercup (which of course I should have NEVER sold) was such a nice car to play with. I miss it so much!!! The worst is that I have a modena in the garage and just can't find her interesting at all!!!
JM
 

My 993 supercup (which of course I should have NEVER sold) was such a nice car to play with. I miss it so much!!! The worst is that I have a modena in the garage and just can't find her interesting at all!!!
JM
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I thought that car was too cheap. Doesn't mobile.de have some cup cars for sale?

Harry
 
Do you mean you have a club sport for sale?

If it's about my 360, it's a 2001 (reg MIOODNA) with 11,300 miles. Under warranty until August, new just about everything and pristine... e-mail me and I'll send you all sorts of pictures and info. FFSH of course
JM
 
They do but I want a car with a license plate so it must be a 1995 or earlier and right now all cups are 97/98 (993s that is). Never thought it would be so darn difficult!
JM
 
If you can't get excited by the 360, why don't you just sell it and buy the 993 Cup from H&S which I think is street legal (the one that was restored and put in a museum): http://shop.puretec.de/kunden/18373333/detailansicht_993+Cup+Road+legal.html


Harry
 
Because it cannnot be licensed in the UK. The law is that cars under 10 years of age made in Europe need a certificate of conformity which this one doesn't have. a 10 year old car doesn't need one... It can go through an SVA approval and you're home free... Tom had the car I wanted. I was ready to go and then some guy from my home land (Belgium) shows up at his store, pays and leaves with it... I was more than a little upset...
JM
 
Why don't you speak to a chap called Paul at GT Classics in UK. He has the Cup car on his website. Perhaps he can advise you re: legalising the car for UK roads.
The website is: www.gtclassics.co.uk Some nice looking cars on his site (I believe he gets his cars from H&S).

Harry
 
i have some experience of having driven both standard RS & clubsport or road & track (but not being an expert helmsman by any stretch)..clubsport does feel lighter and slightly flatter on track - std RS almost feels slightly dulled by being quieter and feels like its got too much body roll [:eek:] - although the clubsport has got cup car suspension on it set up for the track so it might not be a fair comparison..

regarding time difference - as its a mates RS I never pushed it - but theres no difference on track between us usually - thats probably me being rubbish & my mate being good however...

RE the difference on the road - I'd take a std RS any day if it was'nt for my roll cage fetish [:D]

 
Regarding road registering in the UK I think JM is racalling our discussion on the subject so not a lot else to add. Except if a car is younger than 10 then its harder to register and just because it's registered in another EC country doesn't mean it's going to be straight forward. 993 Cup cars don't have a Type Approval certificate so you need to SVA them when younger than 10.

Also JM please consider what you want to do with it. There are more important differences bewteen a 993 Cup and a 993 RS Clubsport than there is between a 993 RS Clubsport and an RS. Mechanically Clubsports and RS's are pretty much the same. Apart from the obvious visual differences inside and out, the rest is pretty much standard RS without the dual mass flywheel.

Cup cars also have no heating system at all (basic fresh air fan provided for demisting), no hand brake, engine and gearbox are mounted with solid bearing mounts and trasmit lots of noise into the cabin (even more than usual), solid tappets, cup cam shafts, no vario ram, different ECU, mapped off throttle position I believe, cage is slightly different with door cross bars instead of single, and more I'm probably not aware of.
 
Thanks Paul... I've had a 993 Cup car so I know what it's like.
Thanks again for all your help!
JM
 

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