964 valuation please?

[MattJones911]

Hi All

A friend has asked me to help him sell his 964 so I've been recommended this forum to do some research.

I don't know the full details on the car but as you can see it's a 1990 carrera 4. It's covered 48,000 miles and has fairly recently had £15,000 spent on it. Runs perfectly except the air-con isn't working. Some photos below but please note these have been taken before I Detail it (I'm a professional Detailer).

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/mattjonescardiff/old%20911/3.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/mattjonescardiff/old%20911/2.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/mattjonescardiff/old%20911/1.jpg

Any ideas on it's worth? Do you think it's worth repairing the A/C? Or any other selling advice would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance.

If anyone's interested in seeing one of my Porsche Detail write-ups here's a C4S I did a while back:
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=91476

 

[Steve Brookes]

Pistonheads put them at between £12K and £15K. Prices have been steady for a long time now.

 

[tim_haskins]

As steve says 12-15k would be a fair price depending on what its like and what work has recently been carried out. Low miles cars are not always a great purchase in my opion because most of the higher milage cars have had more of the problems fixed. As you say its had 15k spent on it recently when it only has 48k on the clock so hopefully its pretty sorted. Imagine buying a car with low milage only to find out it needed 15k worth of work!! (this is my point) I would much prefer a well looked after mid milage car with documented work carried out etc. The car is some 19 yrs old and hence even with the low miles every thing is old...

Not sure what i would do with the a/c.....I probably would take it to an indi to give an estimate on what it would cost to fix. If its resonable then it would probably be worth fixing but if its going to cost a fortune then it may not be worth it. Most people get a PPI prior to purchase that would highlight the fact that the A/C doesnt work and therefore would want some reduction in the price to compensate.

Tim

 

[iangray100]

As for the A/C get an estimate but having had experience I suspect it wont be cheap to fix.

My one is back in for its 18mth A/C recharge as they don't hold it very well as the rubber pipes become porous over time. But over the 4 years i've had to replace the condenser the evaporator and couple of pipes just to get it to work but i hate cars without A/C especially if you use the car regulary as i do for work.

 

[MattJones911]

Many thanks for the replies guys. The AC would be £1000 to fix. I get the impression it's not worth bothering and allow buyers to adjust the price accordingly.

 

[iangray100]

Depends if your selling or buying ....into days climate and hot weather this week A/C is a selling point ;-)

Just dropped the C2 off to the A/C guys this morning .......if you think £1K is expensive ....my A/C in 4 years has eaten up to £2K now to keep it running ..more than a run around car !! ;-)

 

[street935]

In response to the valuation is this just a RHD thing that the values are so low because on a recent trip to France I poked around a few garages where I saw 911's for sale and from what Ive seen recession or no recession you wouldn't get a sniff of a good 964 for 12K/15K. Many 90/91 cars had price tags of 25/30K euros. This is also evident in the Wanted section of Pistonheads where there are page after page adverts from continental dealers looking for lhd porsche cars.

 

[Steve Brookes]

Personally I'd say it's a UK market thing. While there are plenty of people out there (relatively) willing to let their cars go for £12K (or even less) because they need the money during the recession, prices will stay low.

There are still plenty of UK owners that use a 964 as their regular transport. When times get hard I can understand why they decide that the 964 has to go and go quickly. Maybe as the cars get older we'll see the 964 move further towards being a weekend luxury than it is at the moment and owners that decide to sell out of the marque, be prepared to wait longer to achieve a higher asking price?

All IMHO.

 

[appletonn]

ORIGINAL: Steve Brookes

Personally I'd say it's a UK market thing. While there are plenty of people out there (relatively) willing to let their cars go for £12K (or even less) because they need the money during the recession, prices will stay low.

There are still plenty of UK owners that use a 964 as their regular transport. When times get hard I can understand why they decide that the 964 has to go and go quickly. Maybe as the cars get older we'll see the 964 move further towards being a weekend luxury than it is at the moment and owners that decide to sell out of the marque, be prepared to wait longer to achieve a higher asking price?

All IMHO.

...he says, hopefully!![]

I think the same is true with the 944 Turbos, as everyone 12 months ago was looking at £6k for a nice car and telling me that they could get a nice car for £3500, so why would anyone pay £8k for a late one. Today, there are plenty of rough cars out there, but less and less nice cars that have had money thrown at them in preventative maintenance etc. I've just sold mine for a decent price, as has one of the other guys on the 944 forum - I could have sold it 3 or 4 times over, such was the interest.

Even the "you can get a bargain one for £3500" people are now conceding that this is no longer the case!

I think ( & hope!) that this is now the case with 964s, as the last of the 'classic' shape aircooled 911s, its star is in ascendence and the prices will become just as polarised as the 944Ts, with people who know the cars, prepared to pay the right price for the good cars.

As we all know, there is no such thing as a 'cheap' Porsche...![]

 

[Steve Brookes]

ORIGINAL: appletonn

...he says, hopefully!![]

As we all know, there is no such thing as a 'cheap' Porsche...![]

With the price you paid for yours and the work you're having done, it can only appreciate! []

 

[James_G]

ORIGINAL: street935

This is also evident in the Wanted section of Pistonheads where there are page after page adverts from continental dealers looking for lhd porsche cars.

And long may it continue. RS variants aside, I can see absolutely no point owning a LHD Porsche in the UK, especially as there are plenty of nice RHD cars to choose from. Quite why as Brits we continue accept the compromise of a LHD car remains a total mystery to me. In all the time I have spent driving in Continental Europe I have never seen a locally registered RHD car being driven by one of the locals.

In fact even the poverty stricken Bolivians can't stand RHD as evidenced by this photo I took when in Potosi:

 

[street935]

Have just got this one from Japan where it is a " Status Symbol" to drive a LHD. http://s388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/nineleven/
Because of what Ive seen price wise on the continent I decided to go once again for a left hooker and in my opinion £ 4 £ jap imports are about the best value out there.

 

[h_____]

For the LHD discussion, it can make a lot of sense, I have an "RS Variant", so had no choice (no RHD available), However, at no point has it been a chore to drive on the left. The car has plenty of power to enable you to hand back a little for overtake, I rarely go anywhere with a ticket barrier, and if I do I usually have a passenger, on the one occasion I havent I simply leant over no problems. The pedal setup is better, the wipers are on the right side, the engine release, boot release, and petrol release are all to hand. I dont see the challenge.

And of course the prices of LHD C2s (pref without sunroof) will only rise, and I guess more than RHD, depending on the Euro of course!!

Just another perspective.

 

[James_G]

ORIGINAL: street935

Have just got this one from Japan where it is a " Status Symbol" to drive a LHD. http://s388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/nineleven/
Because of what Ive seen price wise on the continent I decided to go once again  for a left hooker and in my opinion £ 4 £ jap imports are about the best value out there.

Very nice. Although with LHD values and demand from continental Europe riding so high why are these cars coming to the UK? I can only think it's because there's an established import route for Japanese cars in to the UK where perhaps there isn't for say Germany, but perhaps there's more to it than that?

While I am sure that LHD doesn't present too much of a challenge on a daily basis, I remain amazed that we are the only European nation who will accept this compromise.

I saw a 993 Cabriolet the other day in totally normal spec parked up in Sainsbury's and I just wonder why the owner had gone down that route. Why not buy a RHD 993 cabriolet - it's not like there aren't any of them around. Maybe he bought it from new and did it to say a few £££ back then, but even so. Or maybe he spends 8 months in Spain a year and I've got it all wrong, in which case good on him.

Often I think the motor trade are doing it to exploit us, and that's partly my grief with it. Anyway there's a chap who lives about 30m away from me who has a LHD 968 tucked up in the garage that I occasionally see. I may seek him out for a Q&A session.

 

[street935]

I spoke to a friend here in Dublin today who has spent the last ten years or so importing cars and 4x4's from Japan and he said that there has been a huge change in prices etc in Japan in the last six months or so and now its getting very difficult to buy stock as all the good rhd stuff is heading for australia, new zealand and other rhd countries and as a result the prices have risen sharply. If you have a look on the likes of iDirect etc you will see what he means.