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Guest
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Usually when there is rust under the rear window seal , means that the window has been replaced and hence the seals not replaced correctly. So question would be why has the window been replaced. Has it had a nasty kiss up the back side etc. So HPI is important and full service history incl invoices to read and see if anything springs out.
I have had cars with rust both at the front window seal and rear. No problem just get it done properly and ensure seals are replaced correctly.
Johannes
I have had cars with rust both at the front window seal and rear. No problem just get it done properly and ensure seals are replaced correctly.
Johannes
RichardLW
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My understanding is that if the rear window seal hasn't been replaced properly and water has been getting in for a long time - the youngest 964 will now be 12 years old - there may be severe rusting throughout the whole interior at the back. Someone on Titanic - and I can't remember who - had problems with the area under the rear seat and ended up replacing a lot of the interior and surrounding bodywork including the inner wings.
I'm not aware of rust under the rear window being that common on 964s without there being some underlying problem which may require attention. The front yes, but not the rear. I could be wrong though.
I'm not aware of rust under the rear window being that common on 964s without there being some underlying problem which may require attention. The front yes, but not the rear. I could be wrong though.
John H
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OK, now that we have dealt with the rust issue, how about some comment on Walt's original question about values. I'll kick off, and feel free to agree or argue.
From my observations of the market, the median value for a decent 964 seems to be about £15k to £16k. This is for good cars with average mileages and reasonable history in private sales. Expect to pay a bit more than this from the trade for the same cars, or quite a bit more for exceptional cars. Equally expect to pay a bit less than this for so so cars with patchy histories, lhd, or known issues.
However, don't assume that the asking price automatically equates to the condition of the car. All of these cars are now 12 to 15 years old, and almost any car you look at will need some catch -up maintenance work. Sure, you will read all the horror stories about oil leaks and flywheels, but don't ignore the more prosaic things too. Brake discs, pads, caliper-rebuilds, new tyres, worn shocks, suspension alignments, minor bodywork, trim repairs, etc, etc will very likely be needed on all but the most fastidiously prepared dealer cars, and it is very easy for this sort of stuff to eat up a couple of grand. Make sure you take this into account when assessing the car and what it's worth.
I speak with some authority, having just gone through this process myself, but I started on a private sale car at a price which made financial sense of doing this work. I have been horrified to look at several cars for sale in the trade at nearer the £20k mark which quite clearly needed all of the above, which would have made them a very costly purchase indeed.
By all means get an independant survey of a car, but even that is no substitute for a bit of experience, and keeping your eyes wide open.
Anyone care to comment?
John H
From my observations of the market, the median value for a decent 964 seems to be about £15k to £16k. This is for good cars with average mileages and reasonable history in private sales. Expect to pay a bit more than this from the trade for the same cars, or quite a bit more for exceptional cars. Equally expect to pay a bit less than this for so so cars with patchy histories, lhd, or known issues.
However, don't assume that the asking price automatically equates to the condition of the car. All of these cars are now 12 to 15 years old, and almost any car you look at will need some catch -up maintenance work. Sure, you will read all the horror stories about oil leaks and flywheels, but don't ignore the more prosaic things too. Brake discs, pads, caliper-rebuilds, new tyres, worn shocks, suspension alignments, minor bodywork, trim repairs, etc, etc will very likely be needed on all but the most fastidiously prepared dealer cars, and it is very easy for this sort of stuff to eat up a couple of grand. Make sure you take this into account when assessing the car and what it's worth.
I speak with some authority, having just gone through this process myself, but I started on a private sale car at a price which made financial sense of doing this work. I have been horrified to look at several cars for sale in the trade at nearer the £20k mark which quite clearly needed all of the above, which would have made them a very costly purchase indeed.
By all means get an independant survey of a car, but even that is no substitute for a bit of experience, and keeping your eyes wide open.
Anyone care to comment?
John H
Guest
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Yes I agree I agree[
] I paid £12,500 for my 91 (Tip) 964 with full history and it was a bargain but I did see more expensive cars in worse condition don't be fooled by dealers who give the idea that they no it all especially if they only have one Porsche on the forecourt. Get a good inspection done and eyes wide open as already mentioned along with taking your time and I hope you will be Lucky like myself.
Good Luck
Pete[8D]
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964 Tip(91) Guards Red
944S (87) Alpine White
] I paid £12,500 for my 91 (Tip) 964 with full history and it was a bargain but I did see more expensive cars in worse condition don't be fooled by dealers who give the idea that they no it all especially if they only have one Porsche on the forecourt. Get a good inspection done and eyes wide open as already mentioned along with taking your time and I hope you will be Lucky like myself.Good Luck
Pete[8D]
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964 Tip(91) Guards Red
944S (87) Alpine White
John H
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£10k does indeed seem like one helluva bargain. Great news for you, although not such good news for existing owners, as that does seem very cheap. Hope you enjoy the car, and feel free to show us a photo.
There is a small fan which blows air through the heater control, which is probably what you are hearing.
Cheers
John H
There is a small fan which blows air through the heater control, which is probably what you are hearing.
Cheers
John H
Dave Wilkinson
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Andres,
The problem with the ignition switch is quite common and the solution is to fit a new switch. It doesn't need the key to be changed, just the electrical switch at the back of the key barrel.
I'm not sure how any metal from the starter would get to the gearbox. The automatic transmission fluid in the Tiptronic gearbox only requires 3 litres for a fluid change although 9 litres for a dry fill.
Hope that helps.
Regards
Dave
The problem with the ignition switch is quite common and the solution is to fit a new switch. It doesn't need the key to be changed, just the electrical switch at the back of the key barrel.
I'm not sure how any metal from the starter would get to the gearbox. The automatic transmission fluid in the Tiptronic gearbox only requires 3 litres for a fluid change although 9 litres for a dry fill.
Hope that helps.
Regards
Dave
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