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986 Boxster S - best value Porsche?

edh

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I thought I'd be a bit provocative [:D]

but how does this sound?

86k miles, 250hp flat six, ~£5,000

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Ok you'd pay a bit more from a dealer, but would you pick up an S2 of similar spec for that money these days? And it would be 10 years older. I bought the Boxster to fill the "convertible" gap in my fleet - wasn't really looking at the 3.2, just a cheap 2.5 /2.7 but this one came up at the right price. New hood (with glass screen), Aircon rebuilt, Litronic headlights, plenty of TLC in the last couple of years from Ron. This one has the clear indicators and rear lights, so looks like a facelift model. I have to say I prefer the ambers, but apparently the Litronics didn't come with amber indicators, so I'm still mulling over just changing rear and side indicator lights.

First of all the engine is an absolute beauty - silky smooth, revving to 7k+, wonderful induction noise, everything a 944 isn't really.. the 3.2 is also plenty powerful enough. I've driven the 944 and Boxster back to back and the Boxster is a fair bit quicker.

Then of course it's a convertible - the hood is very easy to use and I'm really looking forward to using it in the summer.

The interior is nice - mine has the extended black leather - dash, doors etc.. and sports seats. It's a little creaky, I think a factor of a. limted use and b. open top. I'd probably say it doesn't feel quite as solid as a good 944, but it's a very nice place to be.

So what's it like to drive? very easy and quiet around town, although quite firm on the 18's (I plan to change to 17's). The engine has lots of torque so you can just waft along. Given the opportunity though, it's always worth dropping a gear or two to hear the noise [:D]. I'm starting to come to terms with the driving, pushing it a little more. I am wary of the mid engined design as I have no idea exactly how much grip it has and which end will let go first.. But in the dry at least, I can't see how you'd ever lose traction, and the front end grip is enormous. What's really impressive so far is the chassis balance and feel - you're very much in touch with what both front wheels are doing, and the car is very easy to place. I had a quick'ish drive over some of my favourite back roads last weekend, in the dark so maybe not the best conditions and I found that where i needed to make minor corrections in the corners the car was still very composed. The brakes are very strong, albeit with a limited pedal travel like most modern cars. I think I prefer the more progressive longer action of the 944. The pedals are nicely paced for heel & toe work. Gearbox is fine, not outstanding, but better when warm.

I took the 944 over the same roads - not a fair comparison really as my springs are too stiff for those types of roads, but it was definitely slower and less composed. My 944 is firm and immediate, with racing seats. The Boxster is much softer in comparison. I guess it might fall down on the track and be a bit wallowy, but I suspect with a little work it would be a great track car...

So what are the downsides? None I hope [:D] Speaking to PH he suggested that the cars don't have the same longevity as 944's and that by 100k miles they will need a fair bit of remedial work, much of which mine has already had. There's obviously the IMS risk, which will destroy your engine in much the same way the S2 cam / chain issue will. I think I probably just have to ignore that - and after all, I've already capped my risk at £5k less the breaking price of the car. I might get an IMS guardian fitted, which can provide early warning of bearing failure. There are a few more electrical things to go wrong than a 944, but i think it was only the later generation of cars that got fully kitted out with PASM, PSM etc..

Oh yes - rust - talking to my bodyshop he says the only one's he's seen with rust are the ones that have been crashed / repaired.

More pics when I get a good chance to clean it
 
Looks good Ed, and bit of a steal at that price! we have a Z4 in our fleet for the summer months (you notice I didn't say sunny days!) it does make a nice change.

Looks good on those Genuine [:D] sport design's I wish they made them in a smaller size.

Make a good track day, but with a hard top me thinks! although I suppose the tops are quite heavy
 
Oh yes - rust - talking to my bodyshop he says the only one's he's seen with rust are the ones that have been crashed / repair

Yes, but that was what they said about 944s ten years ago when I was looking to buy; all the magazines played up the fully-galvanised, only rust when badly repaired mantra!

No denying they are a different, and I'd say better in many ways, car, though. My only reason not to change would be the practicality of it, as I do use the boot space, carry two dogs around, that sort of thing. I don't think they have the "image" of a 944, but who cares about that anyway?

I certainly think that the problems with them are talked out of proportion on t'internet. You've got the right attitude there, and know that you'll only be marginally out of pocket if it fails catastrophically and you scrap it. I think running costs are similar, talking to my indie, so it's a very tempting prospect.
 
Part of my thinking was also that in time a Cayman might be a great track car replacement for the 944, and the Boxster is a cheaper way if finding out if I'd like the mid engined Porsches.

Yes they may rust in time - although as this one isn't going to see much salt from now on then I hope it will have a good chance of surviving. At least I have another 10 years [:D]
 
Nice looking car Ed and a bargain price to boot [:)]

I've driven a couple of 2.5's and 2.7's and really loved the handling and superb ride compared to our 80's beasts. The engine sound is to die for but the straight line speed always felt lacking which I know the 3.2 more than makes up for [8D]

The only downside for me is there is so darned many of them (great for buyers though )
 
If you want a mid-engined two-seater then a good one is very nice and they are now very cheap. No more a substitute for a front-engined 2+2 Porsche than one of those is for a 911, though. All three families of car play different games.
 
Dont blame you at all loads of cheap fun. I came very close and was only stopped by the kids 'both' liking to go out in daddys Porsche !

Sadly as my left knee is shagged ill be selling my turbo when ive sorted 2 niggling faults
Leaves just a 968 tip as the only possible option , well see.

Enjoy

Mas
 
Interesting read. Would really love one of these myself. They are now incredible value for money and yours seems like an absolute belter.

It's just a shame those hideous wheels let it down. If I were you I would get shot of them to anyone daft enough to take them off your hands [;)]. (Got your email, thanks. Will get back to you shortly)
 
Nice car and good value as you mention. What it wouldn't do is satisfy my classic car craving which the 944 manages to do, so it doesn't fit into my fun car bracket. About the only way it would work would be as a replacement for my "utility" car and I am not sure it is practical enough for that.
 
Hi Ed, glad you are enjoying it, I bought a similar one last April from a dealer as a trade sale for £6400. It had 49k miles, 17" S twists. Full black soft leather with lumber, memory and heated seats, silver with black hood, litronics and parking sensors (which I don't like look of).
I think it is a great car and quite a bit quicker than my 2.7 lux.
The Induction howl is amazing.
I have had it on track a couple of times and was impressed. I was aiming for a 3.4 996, but a friend reckoned I'd be better with the S.
It came with the original sales invoice for £49,984. A lot of car for little money now.

Alan.
 
ORIGINAL: ukmastiff

Dont blame you at all loads of cheap fun. I came very close and was only stopped by the kids 'both' liking to go out in daddys Porsche !

Sadly as my left knee is shagged ill be selling my turbo when ive sorted 2 niggling faults
Leaves just a 968 tip as the only possible option , well see.

Enjoy

Mas

Noooo, you're selling the car you initially bought again! Forgive me for being out of the loop, but what happened with the black machine you acquired for a short while?

Either way, I reckon Rav may be your man to sell it to ;).

The 986s certainly look to be an ideal candidate for a 'cheap' entry in Porsche ownership.
 
ORIGINAL: Hairyarse

£5k - Bargain motoring!

that's my point really - and as you can see from Alan's car, there are plenty of bargains out there. mind you, you can get an e46 m3 for close on 5k now. ( but that is a sports saloon, not a sports car )
 
Don't bother with the IMS Guardian - there's now a better solution that injects oil onto the bearing:

http://blog.tunersmall.com/direct-oil-injection-for-ims-bearings/

 
I`ll have to say they are good value.

A friend recently bought a two owner early 2.7 with hardtop and new hood, all bills and history, thousands spent on simply maintaining it at OPC`s, eveything works, original Porsche washer fluid/oil top up package unused etc etc, almost new P Zero`s, absolutely seriously mint (concours almost), 87,000 miles............

£4000!!

He was after a 3.2 but couldnt pass that one up - absolute bargain.

Me? I`ve looked but I am quite tall and unless I swap the seats I find the windscreen top rail in your face (literally)
 

ORIGINAL: spyderman

Don't bother with the IMS Guardian - there's now a better solution that injects oil onto the bearing:

http://blog.tunersmall.com/direct-oil-injection-for-ims-bearings/

looks like it needs lots of labour time though? another option is to change the bearing but the car has a recent clutch, so I didn't want the expense of dropping the transmission again.
 
I had a 2.7 Boxster (987) as a loan car while my S2 was off the road, about 5 years ago. It was a good car, but left me cold. It felt very, very large - much larger than a 944. Yes, it was good to drive briskly as it was very crisp in every respect; every control had an immediate reaction, and this made it feel responsive and twitchy. Mid-engine means low polar moment of inertia and it did respond quickly to inputs.

Downside was that it felt enormously computer-controlled. Bear in mind this was a loan car I had for a month (in mid-summer!) and you'll understand why I never switched the PMS (stability system) off. But if you drove it decently hard, you felt the computer stepping in to make sure that everything was kept in control. Too much loud pedal? We'll back the throttle off a little to ensure those wheels don't spin. Bit of welly mid-bend on a wet surface? We'll put the inside rear brake on slightly to ensure that you don't get out of line. It all made for a very "nanny'd" feeling car that didn't appeal. Add to the fact that it felt very ostentatious and guzzled fuel and you'll understand why I didn't like it.

For what it's worth, I did think that in the hands of a good driver who would be able to control it if everything came unstuck then it would be a hugely capable machine. The nannying features were there to ensure that the average owner (possibly not an excellent driver) never go too far out of shape (when they spin, they are meant to be very hard to catch.) However, as a driving experience, it was a very different machine to a 944, and I know which I preferred.


Oli.
 
Ah well - that was a 987 [;)]
None of that nonsense on a 986...

I'm surprised you felt it was big - mine feels very go-kart like. Parked next to the 944 there's not a lot in it.
 

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