991 sales in the UK

[mnk303]

Anyone know how the sales are going, be very interested to hear? I see Porsche overall is doing very well, especially with the bigger cars. I was speaking to a Porsche dealer "not local" to me who said uk customers are finding the price a bit high, but it's only one dealers comments.

 

[dereksharpuk]

I have been told that my local dealership have been offered a few secondhand 997s and have declined to take them.

 

[mnk303]

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

I have been told that my local dealership have been offered a few secondhand 997s and have declined to take them.

Yes now you are the 4th person who said that to me, in the last 2 weeks. I still suspect that the higher starting price of the 991 (even though it has more standard options) is causing some worries.

 

[dereksharpuk]

A 991 cannot compete with a 997 GT3RS! []

My biggest gripe about all the 'normal' current 911s is the depreciation. I lost shed loads on my last 3 [], hence a secondhand Ferrari. True it costs more to run and probably is less reliable (no worries as I have a 2 year warranty), but running costs pale into insignificance compared with £25K loss in the first year of a 997. Even more with the 991.

A Boxster would make much more sense.

 

[mnk303]

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

A 991 cannot compete with a 997 GT3RS! []

My biggest gripe about all the 'normal' current 911s is the depreciation. I lost shed loads on my last 3 [], hence a secondhand Ferrari. True it costs more to run and probably is less reliable (no worries as I have a 2 year warranty), but running costs pale into insignificance compared with £25K loss in the first year of a 997. Even more with the 991.

A Boxster would make much more sense.

Quite agree I went from Ferrari because it was less reliable (much) but depreciation is maybe actually better than Porsche especially now they have a very good used warranty. A Porsche Dealer contacted me several times recently about me moving from my RS to a 991 C2 and the difference £0, so I would lose £30k in 2850 miles, RS usually keep their money better on the Porsche ladder. I am not doing it.

I actually think the new Boxster is one of the most attractive cars I have ever seen from Porsche, in fact 90% of the performance of a 991 and only 60% of the cost mmmmmm

 

[dereksharpuk]

Ferrari residuals are rock solid. Most 458s are still selling for over list and they all come with 7 years free servicing and warranty. YES 7 YEARS! And here is us winging that Porsche UK offers only 2 years instead of the 4 years for the USA!

A comparable low mileage 430 (mine has done 1500 miles) costs about the same as a new 991 and comes with a 2 year warranty, but it will be worth a lot more next year than a 991 (I sold both my last two Ferraris for more than I paid for them) []

Modern Ferraris are indeed less reliable than modern Porsches, but Ferraris are much more reliable than they used to be. They have to be, considering the longevity of the Ferrari warranty!

The biggest problem for me is that, though all modern Porsches are wonderful cars, they have lost that certain WOW factor; possible because they are now very common.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: mnk303

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

A 991 cannot compete with a 997 GT3RS! []

My biggest gripe about all the 'normal' current 911s is the depreciation. I lost shed loads on my last 3 [], hence a secondhand Ferrari. True it costs more to run and probably is less reliable (no worries as I have a 2 year warranty), but running costs pale into insignificance compared with £25K loss in the first year of a 997. Even more with the 991.

A Boxster would make much more sense.

Quite agree I went from Ferrari because it was less reliable (much) but depreciation is maybe actually better than Porsche especially now they have a very good used warranty. A Porsche Dealer contacted me several times recently about me moving from my RS to a 991 C2 and the difference £0, so I would lose £30k in 2850 miles, RS usually keep their money better on the Porsche ladder. I am not doing it.

I actually think the new Boxster is one of the most attractive cars I have ever seen from Porsche, in fact 90% of the performance of a 991 and only 60% of the cost mmmmmm

Checkout this video and the reason to go Boxster over 911 has never been more justified IMO
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25371

 

[isuk]

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

Ferrari residuals are rock solid. Most 458s are still selling for over list and they all come with 7 years free servicing and warranty. YES 7 YEARS! And here is us winging that Porsche UK offers only 2 years instead of the 4 years for the USA!

A comparable low mileage 430 (mine has done 1500 miles) costs about the same as a new 991 and comes with a 2 year warranty, but it will be worth a lot more next year than a 991 (I sold both my last two Ferraris for more than I paid for them) []

Modern Ferraris are indeed less reliable than modern Porsches, but Ferraris are much more reliable than they used to be. They have to be, considering the longevity of the Ferrari warranty!

The biggest problem for me is that, though all modern Porsches are wonderful cars, they have lost that certain WOW factor; possible because they are now very common.

Ferrari's UK warranty is 4 years, it's the routine service package that is 7 years. Having just sold my second 458 I can assure you they are not fetching over list any more.

 

[dereksharpuk]

Oh, well thank you for that; from the horses mouth so to speak. I just assumed that the warranty would be the same as free servicing. However, 4 years is still twice as long as Porsche's warranty.

You have sold two? Might I ask why? Having borrowed one for a couple of days, I was impressed, though did think it was just a little like a Sony Playstation. However, it certainly went! But I still prefer my raw 430 Spider!

 

[Dylan1]

i wonder if the warranty is twice as long as porsches because they go wrong twice as often?[]

 

[dereksharpuk]

ORIGINAL: dyllan

i wonder if the warranty is twice as long as porsches because they go wrong twice as often?[]

Not so Dyllan; Ferrari's go wrong much more than twice as often as Porsches []

 

[mnk303]

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

ORIGINAL: dyllan

i wonder if the warranty is twice as long as porsches because they go wrong twice as often?[]

Not so Dyllan; Ferrari's go wrong much more than twice as often as Porsches []

Sadly I have to agree, even though I wish I did not, from experience of having two the last a new 430 was a dam nightmare, but from a point of beauty "lovely"

What a pity I really do not know why Ferrari 's have this poor record , no excuse in this day and age, even though I am sure some Ferrari owners will disagree with this statement. As a "general" statement Porsche are more reliable and more useable day to day than a Ferrari

 

[isuk]

I had my dealers first customer 458 which they took it back after 10 months as they wanted to sell it as a used car. I've sold the second one as I've got a spider due in May. I've had quite a few Ferraris now and racked up quite a reasonable amount of miles in the them and had virtually no issues. I did just over 5k miles in my 430 spider and the only problem I had with it was a roof switch sensor that went out of alignment, zero issues with my 430 Scuderia other than milky carbon in the engine bay which was replaced under warranty, no issues with two California's and no issues with either 458. I've also had a couple of Maserati Gran Turismo's which were also fault free and incredibly well built for such a low volume manufacturer. The service manager at my dealer says that ever since the launch of the 599 each successive new model has required less and less workshop attention. It's got to the point where he is actively looking to attract the older models back into his dealership to keep his workshop busy.

 

[dereksharpuk]

Actually I can live with Ferrari's rather poor reliability record for a number of reasons:

1. I live near a brilliant Ferrari main dealership & a very good independant.

2. It is not my main car. I'm not that stupid!

3. Actually Ferrari's are not that bad & are much better than they used to be. They do suffer however from a plethora of minor problems.

4. They are like a gorgous sexy Italian mistress, so one puts up with the bad because the good is every so good []

 

[mnk303]

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

Actually I can live with Ferrari's rather poor reliability record for a number of reasons:

1. I live near a brilliant Ferrari main dealership & a very good independant.

2. It is not my main car. I'm not that stupid!

3. Actually Ferrari's are not that bad & are much better than they used to be. They do suffer however from a plethora of minor problems.

4. They are like a gorgous sexy Italian mistress, so one puts up with the bad because the good is every so good []

I think ISUK and Derek make good valid points, if you live near a dealer it makes life so much easier as I do live only about 20mins from the Sussex Porsche dealer. The problem I had was i lived a good 3 hour round trip from my local dealer of Ferrari and its a pain even though the service was very good.

I don't have the experience of Ian (ISUK) but it seems things are getting good. It's a shame on Porsche that they don't do a very good warranty period and now they are pushing prices into the near new Ferrari world they need to watch out. After all 458's can now be had for £160K ish and 599's below £99k and California down to £120K and below. I am happy with the RS, but when /if I change I may well give the 458 a turn.

 

[isuk]

I'm over 3 and a half hours from my dealer Martin. They give great service though and always collect and deliver my cars on their covered truck.

I did use a much closer dealer for the recall work on my first 458 as they were able to do the work whilst I waited. They were very good in fairness so I'd have no hesitation recommending them from a service point of view.

The California is a great car and very under rated IMHO. Both of mine had the standard passive suspension set up which makes the handling far more predictable than the over soft Comfort setting of the Magneride option or the slightly harsher Sport setting. The 458 is in a different league though. You won't see any at around £160k for a while yet in RHD unless they have high miles, poor spec etc. Prices are dipping but cars are still trading for good money. I got 8% behind list for my 2nd car which is a lot better than you will see on most 911 variants unfortunately. You have to bear in mind that the 458 has been imported into the UK market in less than half the annual numbers the 430 was. The spider is also going to be imported in very restricted volumes.

 

[lamboman]

was in OPC Hatfield on Sat ..

they had a new basic 991 C2 convertible and 3 991C2S, all PDK in the showroom .. no issues with availability it seems!