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991 - Some initial thoughts

sidicks

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My 997.1 C4S was at Mid-Sussex Porsche today for its 6 year service, and they kindly provided a 991 Carrera S in Guards Red for me to play with.

Normally my car is serviced by Tonbridge OPC (near where I live), but having had some favourable dealings with them recently I thought I'd let Mid-Sussex service take control this time around.

Unfortunately, I ended up having to undertake a significant amount of work during the day, meaning that I didn't get to drive the 991 as much as I'd hoped, but probably did 100 miles or so, so thought I'd share my initial observations:

Key observations:

Guards Red isn't my cup of tea, and I was very conscious of the wings / bonnett / mirrors being prominent in my view - I'm not sure whether this is due to the red colour or to changes to the driving position and car shape??

(I did see an Aqua Blue 991 in the showroom which looked nice, plus an Agate Grey (my original choice)).

Ride - The 991 was certainly much smoother riding than my 997 C4S and I would suspect would be a quieter and easier drive over a long distance.

Interior - I'm a big fan of the new interior - particularly the instrument binnacle with the new information screen which works really well. I didn't like the metal interior trim, and would probably choose to replace this with body coloured panels or carbon fibre.

PDK - I'm still adapting to PDK, having only used it on courtesy cars, but there is no doubt that the latest version is much improved on previous versions I've tried. Having said that, I am still learning how to get the most from it, and whereas in my manual, I am always instinctively in the right gear, this wasn't always the case with the PDK. However, I'm taking full responsibility for that, and think it would readily be resolved with some more practice. I also think that having paddles, rather than buttons, would increase the interaction and tactility with the car.

2WD v 4WD - I can't say I pushed the car hard enough to notice much difference if I'm honest - the 991 certainly felt very sharp to turn it at the front, but I'm putting that down to the wider track at the front rather than any differences between this 2WD car and the 4WD I'm used to.

Performance - Although I didn't get to drive the car that hard, I was genuinely impressed by the performance - one overtake that I thought I'd slightly mis-judged ws completed with literally hundreds of meters rather than tens of metres to spare. The car feels so much quicker than my C4S - much more so that the 45bhp would suggest. i guess the 50kg+ weight difference also helps!

Overall - very impressed. The biggest issue for me is whether the 991 is so fast that the 911 Turbo that I had pencilled in for 2014 is 'unnecessary' or even unreasonable, given the potential £40k saving.....


Thanks to Jeremy at Mid-sussex for making all the arrangements.

PS - My car needs to go back to the OPC for the RMS to be looked at, so I might get he chance to get another, longer test!


:)
Sidicks
 

ORIGINAL: sidicks


Overall - very impressed. The biggest issue for me is whether the 991 is so fast that the 911 Turbo that I had pencilled in for 2014 is 'unnecessary' or even unreasonable, given the potential £40k saving.....


:)
Sidicks

Don't worry Simon, the Turbo boys will be along in a minute to keep you on the straight and narrow [:D]
Glad you were impressed enough with the C2S though, I agree the turn in at the front is noticeably sharper than the 997.
 

ORIGINAL: pwebb

Don't worry Simon, the Turbo boys will be along in a minute to keep you on the straight and narrow [:D]
Glad you were impressed enough with the C2S though, I agree the turn in at the front is noticeably sharper than the 997.

Well I'm not looking to change my car until 2014 - Mrs Sidicks wants a new car in 2013 (looking at the Cajun / Macan), so before I commit either way I will have been able to drive Carrera 2S and 4S as well as the Turbo to see the difference for myself.

There may also have been a Powerkit available reducing the gap from the 'S' to the Turbo from 130bhp to more like 100bhp whilst retaining the normally aspirated engine etc - might be the best of all worlds!

:)
Sidicks
 
It's not the bhp that makes the difference Simon, it's the torques. I have a 997.2 C4S courtesy car while mine is having it's first service. No 700nm there from 2000rpm then! Feels ok (ish) when there's 4000rpm+ on the clock but I would miss the tidal wave if I went back to n/a now. I really like the 991 C2S in most respects, and certainly way better than 997.1, but it doesn't get close to that addictive turbo grunt. [;)]

PS - you were right Peter......[:D]
 
ORIGINAL: tscaptain

It's not the bhp that makes the difference Simon, it's the torques. I have a 997.2 C4S courtesy car while mine is having it's first service. No 700nm there from 2000rpm then! Feels ok (ish) when there's 4000rpm+ on the clock but I would miss the tidal wave if I went back to n/a now. I really like the 991 C2S in most respects, and certainly way better than 997.1, but it doesn't get close to that addictive turbo grunt. [;)]

PS - you were right Peter......[:D]


Yep, I appreciate the torque difference is probably more significant (although with the PDK gearbox it is fairly straightforward and quick to get a normally aspirated C2S into the power band)!

No doubt after a test drive of the new Turbo I'll find some way of convincing myself that it is worth the extra £40k-£50k over the 'S' version!!

[:)]

Sidicks
 
I think a properly driven C2S will give a good run to a moderately driven TT on a twisty road any day of the week. [:)]

Regards,

Clive.
 

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