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[daro911]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/251853/

All-new Porsche 911 uncovered
12 August 2010

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Porsche will reveal a new incarnation of the iconic 911 at next year's Frankfurt motor show. The company is hoping to win back traditional customers in the face of tough supercar competition and reaffirm its future under the guise of parent company Volkswagen.

See Autocar's exclusive rendering of the new Porsche 911

Read the full story on the new Porsche 911, including full technical and styling details

Codenamed 991, the heavily re-engineered coupé and cabriolet are set to go on sale in the UK in October 2011. They will get freshened exterior styling, a higher-quality interior, more powerful yet highly fuel-efficient six-cylinder boxer engines, sharpened dynamics and a greater list of high-end options.

The new 911 will head further upmarket from its current positioning and allow Porsche to reshuffle its model line-up in readiness for the introduction of a new entry-level mode, to be developed in partnership with VW.

Porsche has traditionally made big changes to the 911 every second generation, so while today's 997 is regarded as a heavily facelifted version of its predecessor, the new 991 "” seen here in Autocar's exclusive illustration "” has been developed from a clean sheet of paper.

Weissach engineers are hopeful that its features will allow it to continue through to the next model, due in 2017, without any significant or costly modifications.

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: daro911 The new 911 will head further upmarket from its current positioning and allow Porsche to reshuffle its model line-up in readiness for the introduction of a new entry-level mode, to be developed in partnership with VW

Further upmarket? Big price jump then! So what would an upgrade to a 991 cost me I wonder? Well a new 997.2 Turbo S is around £130k (which is what I spent total on my mod'ed 997.1 Turbo), so lets assume a good spec 991 Turbo will be say £150k. Let's also say in 2013 (assuming Armageddon hasn't wiped us all out in Dec 2012 []) my MY2008 Turbo is worth £50k, that means I lost £80k over 5 years in depreciation and to upgrade it will cost me £100k. Scary to even contemplate [&:] Might as well just keep the 997.1 Turbo and get an extra 991 GT3 for the same cost to me! Hmmm, that's not a bad idea []

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: Alex L Further upmarket? Big price jump then

Funny - that was my immediate thought too! And even more (expensive) boxes to tick on the configurator by the sound of it. If the article is accurate then it also looks like the obligatory 30bhp hike in power. By 2020 the Carrera S will have the same power as my current car. [] It will, no doubt, raise the bar a little higher. Nice to see that it will still be available in red though[]

 

[Sunil]

ORIGINAL: Alex L Well a new 997.2 Turbo S is around £130k (which is what I spent total on my mod'ed 997.1 Turbo), so lets assume a good spec 991 Turbo will be say £150k. Let's also say in 2013 (assuming Armageddon hasn't wiped us all out in Dec 2012 []) my MY2008 Turbo is worth £50k, that means I lost £80k over 5 years in depreciation and to upgrade it will cost me £100k. Scary to even contemplate [&:] Might as well just keep the 997.1 Turbo and get an extra 991 GT3 for the same cost to me! Hmmm, that's not a bad idea []

Agreed. 911s used to hold up well depreciation wise but there are so many on the road now that it's a serious issue. The Turbo, for their premium product, just depreciates far too much. I'll wait to see what happens but, despite being a loyal Porsche customer for many years, I may end up switching to McLaren as my everyday car as it seems to me that they're looking to protect their market.

 

[Hendrik]

As a new member to the Porsche family: Why is the Turbo S priced £40k higher than the C4S? I know there are 2 turbos and Porsche vectoring technology etc, but Im struggling to justify the price difference. Make no mistake, I love the Turbo S, but the maths dont add up, or am I totally wrong here?

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: Hendrik As a new member to the Porsche family: Why is the Turbo S priced £40k higher than the C4S?

I think you have to look at what comes as standard on the Turbo S and what is an "option" on the C4S. Then the price difference is much less than £40K. I did a (very) rough spec on a C4S with similar kit to the Turbo S and it came out close to £100k!! Then there is the difference between 700Nm and 420Nm......[]

 

[Hendrik]

ORIGINAL: tscaptain

ORIGINAL: Hendrik As a new member to the Porsche family: Why is the Turbo S priced £40k higher than the C4S?

I think you have to look at what comes as standard on the Turbo S and what is an "option" on the C4S.  Then the price difference is much less than £40K.  I did a (very) rough spec on a C4S with similar kit to the Turbo S and it came out close to £100k!!  Then there is the difference between 700Nm and 420Nm......[]

700 and 420Nm yes, very good reason. One can never have enough.

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: Hendrik As a new member to the Porsche family: Why is the Turbo S priced £40k higher than the C4S? I know there are 2 turbos and Porsche vectoring technology etc, but Im struggling to justify the price difference. Make no mistake, I love the Turbo S, but the maths dont add up, or am I totally wrong here?

You use to get a race grade engine with a gen 1 Turbo, which cost a lot more than the consumer grade engine Porsche put in the Carreras ie. not just 2 turbo chargers bolted on. Now the gen2 Turbo shares the same base DFI consumer grade engine as the Carreras do it does seem a bit of a swizzle given Porsche are just pocketing the manufacturing cost savings (I'm sure they would say that money goes back into R&D, like for PDK development). They don't reduce the cost of the gen2 Turbo because people are still willing to pay a lot more for a big straight line performance jump.

 

[bobfair]

The trouble is that when you compare performance per pound Porsche still looks reasonable value unless you want a GT R. With the competition pushing their prices up (£200k for a 458 etc) then it seems inevitable that Porsche will raise its prices when it brings in its new model. The marketing men will want a bigger gap between the Cayman and the 911 and it wont be a surprise if the 911 because lower volume and higher price. I am not sure why we need more and more powerful cars as we cant use all the performance we have now. I think I would be willing to trade some speed for more fun. I like my GT 3 because it is fun to drive and a challenge. It seems any driver can do 0-60 in 3secs with launch control and stay on the road with PSM but where is the fun in that beyond the initial wow.

 

[Hendrik]

I think the last part of your posting is probably very true, we are willing to pay the high price and the demand is there.

 

[Sandy59]

7 speed gearbox ?? http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/General_News/New-911-to-get-seven-speed-manual-20100813

 

[okellyt]

Hmm Big depreciation on my car, higher cost of purchase and I get 405bhp, (410hp) and 440nm of torque but it will weight just under 1400kg. Oh but mines got approx 405-410bhp, 500nm torque weighs just under 1400kg, but also has the GT3 breaking system with Turbo disks and ceramic pads, GT3 sway bar on std dampers giving it great control on the road but lots of suspenion compliance. so it'll eat the new model alive and cost me aboutt he same as a GT3 to buy and modify......... Oh well 2nd haNd turbo next then - maybe I'll buy Alex's when he foolishly tradeS IT in for the 991 turbo with the girly DFI engine..............

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: Sandy59 7 speed gearbox ?? http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/General_News/New-911-to-get-seven-speed-manual-20100813

And I keep getting told the manual gearbox is dead in the water these days

 

[bobfair]

And I keep getting told the manual gearbox is dead in the water these days

I think there will still be a market for those drivers who dont want the computer to do everything and still want a driving challenge. It may not be the mass market but it will be there

 

[944s2]

Just think Manual gearbox £xxxx option How times change

 

[Adam2S]

When UK sales get under way in 14 months’ time there will be a 3.6-litre engine with 365bhp and 295lb ft in the Carrera. It will be joined from the outset by a revised 3.8-litre powerplant delivering 415bhp and 325lb ft in the Carrera S. hmmm - very close to the 997.2 GT3 output but now fitted as standard in the 991 Carrera S... I reckon thats going to upset a few new GT3 owners!

 

[Sandy59]

I somehow doubt it myself, the difference in the GT3 goes way past the engine output, and the actual engine itself is a bit different in character too. I won't be losing any sleep over it anyway.

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: Adam2S hmmm - very close to the 997.2 GT3 output but now fitted as standard in the 991 Carrera S... I reckon thats going to upset a few new GT3 owners!

Only if they include GT3 handling and exhaust sound as part of the package I suspect. And then there is the question regarding how much this new evolution of the 911 will cost? By the time the 991 GT3 emerges the current crop of 997 Gen 2 owners will be ready to trade up![]

 

[tscaptain]

Apparently it will be lighter....... http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1008_2011_porsche_911_deep_dive/index.html

 

[Lancerlot]

Longer wheelbase will be good for directional stability. Regard, Clive