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993 Overhaul, almost there but am I missing balls ?

Sundeep

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well after a month awaiting [>:] the special Bisltein HD suspension from Gert at Carnewal.. my car is finally up for a major overhaul as it reaches its 100k mark.. well not 'that' major but enough to make the bank balance tremble...[:'(]

My car will spend the next week [:(] up at the garages of AmD somewhere in deepest Oxfordshire..

where on the way up it wil get 4 new shoes in the form of N rated Michelin Pilot Sport Tyres thanks to Black Circles on my existing 17" alloys (decided not to supersize to 18's [:eek:]) although they will be the current N2 rated tyres as opposed to the N1's as recommended back in the days of the 993. Before I get flamed for this choice ! my view is that I wanted to benefit from the latest tyre technology, so contray to Michelin's reputation for tyres since the US GP, although there is nothing wrong with the previous Michelin Pilot Sport N1, there are compound and tread advances in the N2 variant that I wanted to benefit from, opposed to tyres that is from an older design.

Then at AmD I will get new (i) Bilstein HD shocks (ii) M030 Springs (iii) Front RS Wishbone Arms fitted with the correct alignment as well as getting an AmD ECU remap done on my 9 year old 100k mile 3.6 litre engine..... [8D]

in the end I resisted the temptation to upgrade the anti-roll bars, although the debate over whether to go for Poly Bush replacements was one that I couldn't resolve so decided against them but was more annoyed at how certain garages were going out of their way to dismiss their benefits of Poly Bushes verses the much more expensive complete wishbone arm replacements [>:][>:] which I did not find constructive or helpful....

which should be all in good time for the weekend at the Nurburgring the weekend after ! BUT now the only item that has come up in question is what to do about the ball joints ? and yes those are the balls I am referring to !

My knowledge of Ball Joints is very limited i.e. zero ! I know another owner who had mono balls fitted on the strut mounts (but unsure of how this is related!), so if the ball joints need replacing (although not exactly sure where they are!), if so how would I know, but if these are those on the strut mounts than what about just replacement rubber mounts as I assume mono ball will be too hard for the day to day london streets??? don't know, so any help would be appreciated ! [8|]

I am also vary of all these garage £££ extras building up, as at about £3k for next week it is already an expensive week ! I am just hoping that my car comes back from AmD without any minor dents like last time [:'(]

 
"almost there but am I missing balls ?"

IROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dya want to edit that Sundeep?
 
ORIGINAL: Melv

"almost there but am I missing balls ?"

IROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dya want to edit that Sundeep?

no worries chief !

although your wisdom about ball joints would be appreciated [;)]
 
Ball joints and monoball top strut mounts are different part - ball joints at the bottom of the strut and monoballs at the top.

Replace balljoints as a service item. So take your mechanics advice on when they need replacing. They are not very expensive. Monoball top mounts are (relatively) more expensive and replace the rubber top mount with a spherical bearing. Given all the other rubber parts in your suspension, I would not bother, but if you went down the total track car route then its something worth considering. They are a little noisier.
 
ORIGINAL: ian_uk

ORIGINAL: Sundeep993

... (iii) Front RS Wishbone Arms ...

What reason did you go for these?

Ian.

for an extra £10 per side (although the normal ones cost about £185!)

the RS type has a slightly harder wishbone rubber (no pun intended).. so in theory it should last longer and be more of a match to the sports suspension I am fitting.....
 
ORIGINAL: MoC2S
Are you getting Pilot Sport Ones, ie not PS2s ? I don't think the PS2s are available in the correct 17" sizes.

yes, from what I could tell the PS2's weren't available as an N spec in the sizes for the 993... so per the picture these are the ones am I led to believe will be fitted.. well accordingly to the Michelin site

although all tyres all in N2 spec.. ... from www.blackcircles.com prices were very good, actually the other problem was getting hold of the N1's as most places were only listing the newer N2's.....

Michelin Pilot Sport N2 (Porsche) 205/50 R17 Z
Michelin Pilot Sport N2 (Porsche) 255/40 R17 Z

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http://www.michelinman.com/assets/pdfs/doc_pilotsport.pdf

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6 9 7 9 N/A N/A

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verses PS2... which seem to better rather according to Michelin

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6 10 10 10 N/A N/A
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although personal preference of the directional tyre pattern was also a factor ! which is why I also wasn't so keen on the original '98 Michelin Pilot Sport MXX3 N1.. no doubt a legend in the dry but in the wet the design is a tad old...
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if only the GOOD YEAR EAGLE F1 GS-D3 was available as N Porsche Rated Tyre, then for me it would no contest and an immediate choice ! sadly it isn't [:eek:]

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ORIGINAL: Richard Bernau
Ball joints and monoball top strut mounts are different part - ball joints at the bottom of the strut and monoballs at the top.

Replace balljoints as a service item. So take your mechanics advice on when they need replacing. They are not very expensive. Monoball top mounts are (relatively) more expensive and replace the rubber top mount with a spherical bearing. Given all the other rubber parts in your suspension, I would not bother, but if you went down the total track car route then its something worth considering. They are a little noisier.

Cheers for the info Richard...[:D]
 
ORIGINAL: MoC2S

Hi ho Sundeep

The RS control arms should come with ball joints, so the bottom pivot is covered. Unless your steering tie rod ball joints have been replaced they will certainly be up for replacement - giveway would be play in the steering ...

Did the control arms come from Gert, or have AmD another source ?

Monoball top mounts do sharpen up the steering (in a coupe at least!) with negligible increase in road noise, but you can always do it later. What height and alignment are you after ?

Cheers, Maurice

Maurice

now control arms is very american of you ! RS wishbone arms as I like to call them will be dealer supplied but via AmD, it was also the best price (although within a £ or 2) from anyone who had them in stock... but it's good to know that the RS type come with Ball Joints.. assuming AmD supply & fit the correct part.....

I've going for M030 ROW ride height.. any more and I think my driverway entrance and the speed bumps of London will have a few things to say about that ! even with a front protection bar fitted.....

although you also mention alignment, do I have options ?

as I've already got a strut brace, so on my budget the mono balls are not needed... but the only other worry is that the "steering tie rod ball joints" may need replacing as I am unsure if there is any play in the steering or if the worn out wishbones are causing additional some play that I am experiences...???

regards
 
cheers for that...

sounds like those Amd extras are already piling up !

track setting are tempting but then I have to remind myself that is my only car and I'm in this for the long run... anyway I might end up scaring all a few Gt3's on track, although they can afford to chew through tyres [:(]

btw.. what did you think my tyre perspective ?
 
ORIGINAL: ian_uk
What reason did you go for these?
ORIGINAL: Sundeep993
for an extra £10 per side (although the normal ones cost about £185!)

the RS type has a slightly harder wishbone rubber (no pun intended).. so in theory it should last longer and be more of a match to the sports suspension I am fitting.....

Thanks Sundeep.

I am thinking you are having new wishbones fitted because your old ones are worn out rather than an integral part of an M030 upgrade? Reason I asked is because my M030/HD Bilstein kit arrives next week and I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a trick.

Ian.
 
ORIGINAL: ian_uk

ORIGINAL: ian_uk
What reason did you go for these?
ORIGINAL: Sundeep993
for an extra £10 per side (although the normal ones cost about £185!)

the RS type has a slightly harder wishbone rubber (no pun intended).. so in theory it should last longer and be more of a match to the sports suspension I am fitting.....

Thanks Sundeep.

I am thinking you are having new wishbones fitted because your old ones are worn out rather than an integral part of an M030 upgrade? Reason I asked is because my M030/HD Bilstein kit arrives next week and I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a trick.

Ian.

yep ! the simple screw driver test.. showed that was a lot of play in the wishbones [:mad:]

although getting them done at the same time was also a benefit.... even though each wishbone is expensive.. circa £400 for a pair !
 

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