Hi,
Difficult investment question- crystal balls and calculators at the ready... I'm new on here having not owned a 911 for the last decade. Before then I owned a few, including a couple of 3 ltr SCs a 3.2 Carrera, a 1987 (4 spd) Turbo, 964 3.6 and various nasty non standard 2.7s. Along with numerous lesser 4 cyl porsches too. I kept few for very long but a couple for a couple of years. Most memorably a lovely black '79 SC coupe which I drove the socks off for about 2 years. Best car I ever had
I've beavered away for the last 10 years in a hugely fun, but not very well paid job driving diesel estates etc., and now am finally in the position to purchase an investment second/fun car. As I need to keep it outside I know it needs to be a Porker. The last decent motor I had was a 1984 Ferrari, and it seemed that every time I walked out to it another rusty bubble would appear. It started breaking my heart in the end. Despite that, I bought it right and sold it for exactly what I paid for it 3 years later.
My parameters are as follows:
Budget - 20 grand. No more than that. I have another 5k for calamities, but expect to purchase a decent example.
Mileage - 3000 per year max for this car.
Here are my preliminary thoughts and questions, without having driven either car:
993:
Will I even get a decent manual 993 coupe with fpsh in a decent colour not needing lots of work for sub 20k?
Is the 993 fuel economy considerably worse than the 996?
Could the current prices of these cars suggest they are living in a bubble which could burst?
Its looks will stand the test of time better than the 996- even the slightly better looking (than other 996s) wide body 996.
Will any planned future emissions tax changes badly effect running costs of this car?
Classic car insurance is a positive for the 993. Cheaper!
996
Every day that goes by at the moment the normal narrow bodied 996 looks uglier, while the 993 just looks better and better. Hence the probable main reason for the value discrepancy. However, not so with the wide bodied cars in my view, and a motor trade friend agrees with me on this.
Will cars like c4s ever drop much further below 20 grand? (Not including oddballs like the bloke on here's with the 230k mileage)
When a normal 996 Carrera entry level is now 10 grand, is the double money justifiable for the wide body- in a ongoing value and ease of selling it context? I think it very well might be- but not sure completely. I don't mind spending the extra money as long as I can get it all back at the end.
With my previous experience of proper 911s like SCs, will I find a 996 diluted and disappointing? Are 911s still as spine tinglingly free revving?
I can't really find many 996 wide bodied 2wd cars for sale. Is this because they did not make many?
How do the values of 2wd/4wd wide body 996 cars compare?
Is the 2wd the one to have like it was with the 964? I like driving in controlled powerslides where safe to do so, will a C4s allow this with all its technology?
And fuel economy? The 4 will obviously be worse than the 2- but how much worse?
And car tax? When was the date after which it went on engine size? Were there any wide bodied UK 964s before this date that would have cheaper tax?
How do servicing costs/frequency compare with a 993?
People mutter about engine issues with these cars. Something about liners I think. Is this statistically worth worrying about?
Both cars:
I don't want a convertible, but how do the new breed of Targas compare in terms of effect on value for these cars? And do they lose out on drivability over the coupes?
Despite the nice looking black 993 Tiptronic currently on Autotrader for £16.5k!!, I recall from a decade ago to steer very well clear of auto 911s. Are they still horrible? I'm guessing so looking at values.
I'd like a car I can keep for 5 years without losing too much money, have lots of fun driving it, and my previous experience with 911s suggests that one of these will probably hold its value pretty well. I'm not so naive as to think long term it can be cost neutral, but am just after something that has largely finished depreciating and will hold its money well.
As an aside, a friend of mine has 10- 11k to invest similarly for a second play/ investment car. We were chatting about whether he should put his money in a BMW M-coupe (The funny hatchback 2 seater things from the late 90s) or a 996, similar mileage cars, both with fsh etc.I have to confess, I'd go for the Beemer in that case, (but only one that's had the VANOS done) as they are a little more raw and have a bit of a widowmaker reputation. And F. quick too 0-100 mph in 11 seconds IIRC. But who knows what their values will be in 5 years? Guessing is part of the fun for everyone I suppose.
Thanks for any help you can provide on any of this.
I've posted this in both 996 and 993 forums so as to filter out the bias of answers. Hope this is OK.
Jake
Difficult investment question- crystal balls and calculators at the ready... I'm new on here having not owned a 911 for the last decade. Before then I owned a few, including a couple of 3 ltr SCs a 3.2 Carrera, a 1987 (4 spd) Turbo, 964 3.6 and various nasty non standard 2.7s. Along with numerous lesser 4 cyl porsches too. I kept few for very long but a couple for a couple of years. Most memorably a lovely black '79 SC coupe which I drove the socks off for about 2 years. Best car I ever had
I've beavered away for the last 10 years in a hugely fun, but not very well paid job driving diesel estates etc., and now am finally in the position to purchase an investment second/fun car. As I need to keep it outside I know it needs to be a Porker. The last decent motor I had was a 1984 Ferrari, and it seemed that every time I walked out to it another rusty bubble would appear. It started breaking my heart in the end. Despite that, I bought it right and sold it for exactly what I paid for it 3 years later.
My parameters are as follows:
Budget - 20 grand. No more than that. I have another 5k for calamities, but expect to purchase a decent example.
Mileage - 3000 per year max for this car.
Here are my preliminary thoughts and questions, without having driven either car:
993:
Will I even get a decent manual 993 coupe with fpsh in a decent colour not needing lots of work for sub 20k?
Is the 993 fuel economy considerably worse than the 996?
Could the current prices of these cars suggest they are living in a bubble which could burst?
Its looks will stand the test of time better than the 996- even the slightly better looking (than other 996s) wide body 996.
Will any planned future emissions tax changes badly effect running costs of this car?
Classic car insurance is a positive for the 993. Cheaper!
996
Every day that goes by at the moment the normal narrow bodied 996 looks uglier, while the 993 just looks better and better. Hence the probable main reason for the value discrepancy. However, not so with the wide bodied cars in my view, and a motor trade friend agrees with me on this.
Will cars like c4s ever drop much further below 20 grand? (Not including oddballs like the bloke on here's with the 230k mileage)
When a normal 996 Carrera entry level is now 10 grand, is the double money justifiable for the wide body- in a ongoing value and ease of selling it context? I think it very well might be- but not sure completely. I don't mind spending the extra money as long as I can get it all back at the end.
With my previous experience of proper 911s like SCs, will I find a 996 diluted and disappointing? Are 911s still as spine tinglingly free revving?
I can't really find many 996 wide bodied 2wd cars for sale. Is this because they did not make many?
How do the values of 2wd/4wd wide body 996 cars compare?
Is the 2wd the one to have like it was with the 964? I like driving in controlled powerslides where safe to do so, will a C4s allow this with all its technology?
And fuel economy? The 4 will obviously be worse than the 2- but how much worse?
And car tax? When was the date after which it went on engine size? Were there any wide bodied UK 964s before this date that would have cheaper tax?
How do servicing costs/frequency compare with a 993?
People mutter about engine issues with these cars. Something about liners I think. Is this statistically worth worrying about?
Both cars:
I don't want a convertible, but how do the new breed of Targas compare in terms of effect on value for these cars? And do they lose out on drivability over the coupes?
Despite the nice looking black 993 Tiptronic currently on Autotrader for £16.5k!!, I recall from a decade ago to steer very well clear of auto 911s. Are they still horrible? I'm guessing so looking at values.
I'd like a car I can keep for 5 years without losing too much money, have lots of fun driving it, and my previous experience with 911s suggests that one of these will probably hold its value pretty well. I'm not so naive as to think long term it can be cost neutral, but am just after something that has largely finished depreciating and will hold its money well.
As an aside, a friend of mine has 10- 11k to invest similarly for a second play/ investment car. We were chatting about whether he should put his money in a BMW M-coupe (The funny hatchback 2 seater things from the late 90s) or a 996, similar mileage cars, both with fsh etc.I have to confess, I'd go for the Beemer in that case, (but only one that's had the VANOS done) as they are a little more raw and have a bit of a widowmaker reputation. And F. quick too 0-100 mph in 11 seconds IIRC. But who knows what their values will be in 5 years? Guessing is part of the fun for everyone I suppose.
Thanks for any help you can provide on any of this.
I've posted this in both 996 and 993 forums so as to filter out the bias of answers. Hope this is OK.
Jake
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