996tt Buying Advise
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sniper
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Stick with your 993 TT, but if you must have a 996TT...
Speed yellow would be difficult to sell on in a few years time as compared to silver - but agree speed yellow does like naughty but not to everyone taste.
Try and get the 450bhp upgrade, more desirable.
Ps what about a GT3?
Speed yellow would be difficult to sell on in a few years time as compared to silver - but agree speed yellow does like naughty but not to everyone taste.
Try and get the 450bhp upgrade, more desirable.
Ps what about a GT3?
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Colour is a personal choice.
Yellow is hard to miss though, so you're not going to be too discrete in it. It may also be slightly less easy to sell, since the fashion is for more muted colours.
There weren't/aren't that many options to choose from, since most are standard. On the '04 cars everything was included.
On the early cars I believe the sunroof was not standard.
The only real options are aerokit, sports seats (with the shoulder winglets), heated seats (for cold mornings), park assist, lowered suspension (standard is 10mm lower than a C2, sports is 30mm lower like a GT3), engine upgrade (X50), ceramic brakes PCCB.
None are essential.
Based upon second hand cars for sale through the OPCs, the split seems to be 50/50 for manual/tiptronic, so there is equal demand for both.
I would try to get the X50 engine upgrade, since this gives it noticeably more mid range pull, and also includes a slightly strengthened gearbox. About 5-10% of cars have this, but although it was an 8K option, it is not really priced in much in the 2nd hand cars, so is a cheap option.
Bear in mind that the Porsche search agent often does not show the upgrade. They list the power as 420 but looking through the detail shows engine performance pack as a listed option.
Full leather interior was standard.
All the other options are cosmetic, such as carbon bits, wood bit, leather sun visors, etc.
Comfort seats have eletric adjustment, but sports seats do not (aside from back rest angle adjustment).
There were no changes to the shell, suspension, engine or gearbox over the lifetime of the car.
The only differences were in standard spec, although a well specced early one would be identical to the last ones.
The X50 was not available from launch. I think it was avaialble for '03, but I'm not sure.
For '04 you could have a short shift lever. I heard that these can cause problems, but mine is fine so far (touch wood).
Yellow is hard to miss though, so you're not going to be too discrete in it. It may also be slightly less easy to sell, since the fashion is for more muted colours.
There weren't/aren't that many options to choose from, since most are standard. On the '04 cars everything was included.
On the early cars I believe the sunroof was not standard.
The only real options are aerokit, sports seats (with the shoulder winglets), heated seats (for cold mornings), park assist, lowered suspension (standard is 10mm lower than a C2, sports is 30mm lower like a GT3), engine upgrade (X50), ceramic brakes PCCB.
None are essential.
Based upon second hand cars for sale through the OPCs, the split seems to be 50/50 for manual/tiptronic, so there is equal demand for both.
I would try to get the X50 engine upgrade, since this gives it noticeably more mid range pull, and also includes a slightly strengthened gearbox. About 5-10% of cars have this, but although it was an 8K option, it is not really priced in much in the 2nd hand cars, so is a cheap option.
Bear in mind that the Porsche search agent often does not show the upgrade. They list the power as 420 but looking through the detail shows engine performance pack as a listed option.
Full leather interior was standard.
All the other options are cosmetic, such as carbon bits, wood bit, leather sun visors, etc.
Comfort seats have eletric adjustment, but sports seats do not (aside from back rest angle adjustment).
There were no changes to the shell, suspension, engine or gearbox over the lifetime of the car.
The only differences were in standard spec, although a well specced early one would be identical to the last ones.
The X50 was not available from launch. I think it was avaialble for '03, but I'm not sure.
For '04 you could have a short shift lever. I heard that these can cause problems, but mine is fine so far (touch wood).
PGAdamopoulos
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Stuart is spot on.
The colour Yellow is gorgeous, I have a yellow S4 Avant 300+ bhp and I love the colour, but when I was trying to sell it I was getting silly money because of it; so I kept it as my everyday car. On the flip side you get them cheaper.
Regarding my 996TT, I got it in black... it goes nicely next to the yellow S4...
Black is second best, to yellow, and the most expensive I think.
Grey is the fail-safe, for resale purposes.
Look for a Mid02 X50, w/h aerokit if possible, is bound to give you all the goodies you will ever want... [
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PS If you do not mind the LHD you could easily get 25% off from an OPC DE, compared to the OPC UK... & what ever you might decide insist on the OPC extended guarantee if it is more than 2 years old.
The colour Yellow is gorgeous, I have a yellow S4 Avant 300+ bhp and I love the colour, but when I was trying to sell it I was getting silly money because of it; so I kept it as my everyday car. On the flip side you get them cheaper.
Regarding my 996TT, I got it in black... it goes nicely next to the yellow S4...
Black is second best, to yellow, and the most expensive I think.
Grey is the fail-safe, for resale purposes.
Look for a Mid02 X50, w/h aerokit if possible, is bound to give you all the goodies you will ever want... [
]PS If you do not mind the LHD you could easily get 25% off from an OPC DE, compared to the OPC UK... & what ever you might decide insist on the OPC extended guarantee if it is more than 2 years old.
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Some cars do not have PCM (Porsche Communications Manager), so they do not have sat nav or most likely the MOST bus and Bose stereo.
This means that Bose and sat nav must have been an option at one time, along with the sunroof as mentioned earlier.
The integrated car phone is also an option as is the CD auto changer.
Embossed headrests are mandatory, IMO.
You might like the stainless door entry guards.
The aluminium handbrake (with Porsche written on it) and gearshift help lift the interior a little.
The standard wheels are the Turbo II. These have hollow spokes (smooth on the inner surface, like 993TT) with a metal valve stem. There were Sport Techno wheels, but as far as I know these offer no advantage. I thought I read that they may be heavier, but I don't know if this true.
The only other thing I can think of to check are the lights, although I think they all come with Bi-Xenon, but it is possible it was not standard on the first cars.
This means that Bose and sat nav must have been an option at one time, along with the sunroof as mentioned earlier.
The integrated car phone is also an option as is the CD auto changer.
Embossed headrests are mandatory, IMO.
You might like the stainless door entry guards.
The aluminium handbrake (with Porsche written on it) and gearshift help lift the interior a little.
The standard wheels are the Turbo II. These have hollow spokes (smooth on the inner surface, like 993TT) with a metal valve stem. There were Sport Techno wheels, but as far as I know these offer no advantage. I thought I read that they may be heavier, but I don't know if this true.
The only other thing I can think of to check are the lights, although I think they all come with Bi-Xenon, but it is possible it was not standard on the first cars.
carreracat
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Barry, can I ask, are you selling the 993?
Grant
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Hi Jeddob, this is probably "too much" but I thought bits may prove useful, it's part of the Turbo section of a forthcoming e-guide on the 996 series, hope some of it proves of interest.
I agree with the other guys about speed yellow, the only "must have" extra's (for re-sale)are sat nav & phone, otherwise it's down to you, cruise control & heated seats are useful and a few cabin extras like alloy gear lever & handbrake, also a multi-Cd changer is a plus, but the list of possible add ons is long! PCM 2 was introduced for the 03MY, from Sept. 02, an 02 or 52 reg 996TT would be a good choice!
The 996TT is the latest in a long line of flagship Porsche's to proudly carry the famous "Turbo" name. The "wait wait slam dunk" delivery of lag prone Turbo's past has been replaced with virtually instant and adjustable grunt. The 996 may not appear any faster than it's predecessor (the 993 Turbo) in a straight line, but the combination of instant power delivery, improved aerodynamics, rigidity, handling and grip make the 996 flagship even faster than the legendary 959 point to point. The design is a triumph of function over form. As you approach the car from the front you notice the larger more aggressive front bumper (when compared to the standard Carrera) the bigger grills are designed to improve the cooling of the three front radiators and more powerful brakes. You will probably also note it's lower more purposeful stance, a product of the sports suspension. This is 10mm lower than standard and although the ride is firmer it transforms the car when it is pushed hard, reducing body roll, pitch, float and under steer (in extremis) making you feel part of and more at one with the car, further enhancing the 911's handling. The increased width also adds to the cars powerful lines, but it is necessary to house the Turbo's wider track (increased by 28mm rear and 7mm front compared to the facelift C2) and huge tyres. I have read comment in the press that the C4S is slightly more attractive as it lacks the side vents in the rear wing, but this is rather missing the point, again we are talking function over form! These aren't there for cosmetic effect! They channel cooling air to the two air-air intercoolers and the airflow exits via the grills (blocked up in the C4S) in the lower rear bumper! Even the Turbo specific rear spoiler, that raises above 75mph on beautifully designed (dual) silver rams, adds increased downforce and improved airflow to the engine induction system! Amazingly despite the Turbo's increased width it still achieves superb aerodynamic efficiency slipping through the air with a low CD of only 0.31, whilst a partly enclosed underbody and the afore-mention rear wing and front splitter help to pin the car to the road!
Of course the heart of any Turbo is its engine and the 996TT unit can trace its origins to the great water-cooled Le Man's winning GT1 race cars! Utilising the same 3600cc engine block as the GT3 the Turbo adds a single KKK K64 Turbo charger (complete with intercooler) to each horizontally opposed bank of cylinders of the classic flat six engine! As on the 993TT, the two turbochargers are arranged in parallel, with the small volume intake manifold and short exhaust manifolds ensuring a good response. Flowing through a joint air cleaner housing, the intake air goes into the two compressors, from where the compressed air flows through two intercoolers in the wheel arches behind the rear wheels and on to one common duct upstream of the electronic gas pedal. Reverse cooling of the compressed turbocharger air provides a good cylinder charge and keeps the temperatures of the various components to a minimum. The bypass valves are integrated into the turbine housings. Boost pressure is controlled by a joint stroke for the bypass valves masterminded by the engine management. The opening diameter depends on the charge pressure required and is around 1.80 bar (1 bar being atmospheric pressure) at full load, reached at approximately 2700 rpm. Boost pressure is controlled as engine speed increases, and is around 1.65 bar at maximum power. The combination of a high compression ratio (9:4:1) and fast spooling turbo's give the car both a high power out put and fast response to pedal input's, minimising lag!. Revving to 6750rpm, the dry sumped engine also features 4 overhead camshafts, sequential fuel injection, 4 valves per cylinder and Porsche's patented Vario-Cam plus system. Of course with all that extra heat and pressure Porsche have also strengthened the engines design with forged connecting rods and pistons, which are also precision cooled. The highly stressed path of the piston's are also coated with Nikasil, a very hard nickel and silicone carbine alloy that assures long service life, this also features in the GT2/3 engines. The engine also benefits from special cylinder heads, no less than 6 oil pumps and increased cooling with the additional front radiator and larger intakes! Even the intake and exhaust valves feature dual valve springs closing the valves reliably even under the higher forces generated by the Turbocharged engine. The robust six-speed gearbox is a strengthened version of that found in the standard Carrera, with the ratios slightly adjusted to better suit the Turbo. With the launch of the new water-cooled flagship there was another first, you could now specify an automatic for the first time on a Turbo, with a special version of Porsches 5 speed Tiptronic S system available from launch. Although I am not a great fan of automatic systems in a sports car, the huge torque generated by the Turbo's engine does rather mask the need for an extra ratio and the better control offered by the manual box! Power is transmitted to the road via Porsches permanent four-wheel drive system, which adds only 55kg to the weight. Power is apportioned between front and rear wheels via a viscous coupling, at least 5% of the engine power is applied to the front wheels with around 35% in normal driving and maximum of 40% in extreme driving conditions, allowing all 420bhp to be effectively deployed to the road in most conditions! The Turbo also benefits from Porsches superb traction control safety net PSM, Porsche Stability management, fitted as standard. Huge 330mm drilled and vented discs clamped by 4 piston mono-block calipers complete the picture, allowing the Turbo to stop as fast as it accelerates!
Befitting of a flagship model Porsches finest also comes with an excellent standard specification. In addition to the enhancements already discussed above. This includes powerful Bi-Xenon headlamps
(with integral cleaning) a standard fit sunroof and special 18 inch hollow spoke lightweight "Turbo2" alloy wheels. Inside you could specify sports seats as a no cost option (NCO) and the standard seats came with full electronic adjustment and drivers seat memory! Be aware that if you choose a car with sports seats, it won't come with the full electric/memory package! The stereo was upgraded to a top of the range package and from the 02-model year this was made by Bose, in the same year the auto-dim mirror with rain sensor also became standard. From the 04-model year the PCM satellite navigation and phone package was standard. The Turbo also benefited from all the facelift 996's other features including: [the sports steering wheel, an upgraded on board computer (which includes digital boost pressure!!!) a glove-box and cup-holders etc. In addition to the standard central locking, electric windows with one touch open/close, heated electric mirrors and rear screen, two speed wipers with intermittent wipe and heated washer jets plus rear wiper, split folding rear seats, air conditioning, patented crash protection zones plus four air bags featuring POSIPS (Porsches side impact protection system) a good quality "full closure" alarm immobiliser system and a full leather interior, phew! ]. The 996 TT is truly an all weathers super car that you can use every day. Interestingly unlike previous generations of the Turbo the motoring press have consistently rated the TT ahead of it's naturally aspirated brothers.
Engine: Liquid-cooled six-cylinder four-stroke boxer engine, two turbo-chargers, two regulated metal catalysts, dual overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder, variable valve timing and stroke, hydraulic valve-clearance adjustment, digital engine electronic control (ME 7.8), dry-sump lubrication with 11.6-quart (11-liter) oil capacity; about 30-quart (28-liter) cooling capacity; cubic capacity: 3,600 cc, bore: 3.9 in. (100 mm); stroke 3.0 in. (76.4 mm); compression ratio: 9.4:1; output: 420bhp (415 US) (309 kW) at 6,000 rpm; maximum torque: 413 lb.-ft. (560 Nm) from 2,700""4,600 rpm; specific output: 117 hp (86 kW) per liter of cubic capacity. Transmission: Six-speed manual or Tiptronic S fivespeed automatic transmission, all-wheel drive, force distribution between the axles by viscous coupling, variable to 40:60 percent front/rear.
Gear ratios: Manual transmission /Tiptronic S -1st gear 3.82/ 3.59 2nd gear 2.05/ 2.19 3rd gear 1.41/ 1.41 4th gear 1.12/ 1.0 5th gear 0.92/ 0.83 6th gear 0.75 """"reverse ""2.86 ""1.93/""3.16 Axle-drive ratio Manual transmission Tiptronic S 3.44 2.89
Suspension: Front: Independent, Porsche-optimized McPherson design, with suspension struts, lateral struts, and longitudinal control arm; coil springs, twin-tube gas-pressure shock absorbers, and stabilizer bar. Rear: Independent, five links per side, coil springs, mono-tube gas-pressure shock absorbers, and stabilizer bar. Brakes: Dual-circuit braking system with vacuum servo-assist, four-piston monobloc fixedcaliper brakes with internally-vented and cross-drilled discs front and rear, anti-lock braking system (ABS). Porsche Stability Management (PSM) electronic driving dynamics control, with automatic intervention in throttle control and braking system. Wheels& tyres: Front Rims: 8J x 18; tyres:225/40ZR18 Rear Rims: 11J x 18; tyres:295/30ZR 18 Body: Two-door coupe, unitized sheet-steelbody; length: 174.6 in. (4,435 mm); width: 72.0 in. (1,830 mm); height: 51.0 in. (1,295 mm); wheelbase: 92.5 in. (2,350 mm); front track: 57.7 in. (1,465 mm), rear track: 59.9 in. (1,522 mm); unladen weight: 3,395 lbs. (1,540 kg) for manual; 3,494 lbs. (1,585 kg) for Tiptronic S Performance : Acceleration Manual transmission/ Tiptronic S 0""100 km/h (0""62 mph) 4.2 s/4.9 s 0 ""160 km/h (0""99 mph) 9.3 s/10.4 s 0""1000 m 22.4s/23.9 s Maximum speed Manual transmission: 190 mph (305 km/h) Tiptronic S: 185 mph (298 km/h)
I agree with the other guys about speed yellow, the only "must have" extra's (for re-sale)are sat nav & phone, otherwise it's down to you, cruise control & heated seats are useful and a few cabin extras like alloy gear lever & handbrake, also a multi-Cd changer is a plus, but the list of possible add ons is long! PCM 2 was introduced for the 03MY, from Sept. 02, an 02 or 52 reg 996TT would be a good choice!
The 996TT is the latest in a long line of flagship Porsche's to proudly carry the famous "Turbo" name. The "wait wait slam dunk" delivery of lag prone Turbo's past has been replaced with virtually instant and adjustable grunt. The 996 may not appear any faster than it's predecessor (the 993 Turbo) in a straight line, but the combination of instant power delivery, improved aerodynamics, rigidity, handling and grip make the 996 flagship even faster than the legendary 959 point to point. The design is a triumph of function over form. As you approach the car from the front you notice the larger more aggressive front bumper (when compared to the standard Carrera) the bigger grills are designed to improve the cooling of the three front radiators and more powerful brakes. You will probably also note it's lower more purposeful stance, a product of the sports suspension. This is 10mm lower than standard and although the ride is firmer it transforms the car when it is pushed hard, reducing body roll, pitch, float and under steer (in extremis) making you feel part of and more at one with the car, further enhancing the 911's handling. The increased width also adds to the cars powerful lines, but it is necessary to house the Turbo's wider track (increased by 28mm rear and 7mm front compared to the facelift C2) and huge tyres. I have read comment in the press that the C4S is slightly more attractive as it lacks the side vents in the rear wing, but this is rather missing the point, again we are talking function over form! These aren't there for cosmetic effect! They channel cooling air to the two air-air intercoolers and the airflow exits via the grills (blocked up in the C4S) in the lower rear bumper! Even the Turbo specific rear spoiler, that raises above 75mph on beautifully designed (dual) silver rams, adds increased downforce and improved airflow to the engine induction system! Amazingly despite the Turbo's increased width it still achieves superb aerodynamic efficiency slipping through the air with a low CD of only 0.31, whilst a partly enclosed underbody and the afore-mention rear wing and front splitter help to pin the car to the road!
Of course the heart of any Turbo is its engine and the 996TT unit can trace its origins to the great water-cooled Le Man's winning GT1 race cars! Utilising the same 3600cc engine block as the GT3 the Turbo adds a single KKK K64 Turbo charger (complete with intercooler) to each horizontally opposed bank of cylinders of the classic flat six engine! As on the 993TT, the two turbochargers are arranged in parallel, with the small volume intake manifold and short exhaust manifolds ensuring a good response. Flowing through a joint air cleaner housing, the intake air goes into the two compressors, from where the compressed air flows through two intercoolers in the wheel arches behind the rear wheels and on to one common duct upstream of the electronic gas pedal. Reverse cooling of the compressed turbocharger air provides a good cylinder charge and keeps the temperatures of the various components to a minimum. The bypass valves are integrated into the turbine housings. Boost pressure is controlled by a joint stroke for the bypass valves masterminded by the engine management. The opening diameter depends on the charge pressure required and is around 1.80 bar (1 bar being atmospheric pressure) at full load, reached at approximately 2700 rpm. Boost pressure is controlled as engine speed increases, and is around 1.65 bar at maximum power. The combination of a high compression ratio (9:4:1) and fast spooling turbo's give the car both a high power out put and fast response to pedal input's, minimising lag!. Revving to 6750rpm, the dry sumped engine also features 4 overhead camshafts, sequential fuel injection, 4 valves per cylinder and Porsche's patented Vario-Cam plus system. Of course with all that extra heat and pressure Porsche have also strengthened the engines design with forged connecting rods and pistons, which are also precision cooled. The highly stressed path of the piston's are also coated with Nikasil, a very hard nickel and silicone carbine alloy that assures long service life, this also features in the GT2/3 engines. The engine also benefits from special cylinder heads, no less than 6 oil pumps and increased cooling with the additional front radiator and larger intakes! Even the intake and exhaust valves feature dual valve springs closing the valves reliably even under the higher forces generated by the Turbocharged engine. The robust six-speed gearbox is a strengthened version of that found in the standard Carrera, with the ratios slightly adjusted to better suit the Turbo. With the launch of the new water-cooled flagship there was another first, you could now specify an automatic for the first time on a Turbo, with a special version of Porsches 5 speed Tiptronic S system available from launch. Although I am not a great fan of automatic systems in a sports car, the huge torque generated by the Turbo's engine does rather mask the need for an extra ratio and the better control offered by the manual box! Power is transmitted to the road via Porsches permanent four-wheel drive system, which adds only 55kg to the weight. Power is apportioned between front and rear wheels via a viscous coupling, at least 5% of the engine power is applied to the front wheels with around 35% in normal driving and maximum of 40% in extreme driving conditions, allowing all 420bhp to be effectively deployed to the road in most conditions! The Turbo also benefits from Porsches superb traction control safety net PSM, Porsche Stability management, fitted as standard. Huge 330mm drilled and vented discs clamped by 4 piston mono-block calipers complete the picture, allowing the Turbo to stop as fast as it accelerates!
Befitting of a flagship model Porsches finest also comes with an excellent standard specification. In addition to the enhancements already discussed above. This includes powerful Bi-Xenon headlamps
(with integral cleaning) a standard fit sunroof and special 18 inch hollow spoke lightweight "Turbo2" alloy wheels. Inside you could specify sports seats as a no cost option (NCO) and the standard seats came with full electronic adjustment and drivers seat memory! Be aware that if you choose a car with sports seats, it won't come with the full electric/memory package! The stereo was upgraded to a top of the range package and from the 02-model year this was made by Bose, in the same year the auto-dim mirror with rain sensor also became standard. From the 04-model year the PCM satellite navigation and phone package was standard. The Turbo also benefited from all the facelift 996's other features including: [the sports steering wheel, an upgraded on board computer (which includes digital boost pressure!!!) a glove-box and cup-holders etc. In addition to the standard central locking, electric windows with one touch open/close, heated electric mirrors and rear screen, two speed wipers with intermittent wipe and heated washer jets plus rear wiper, split folding rear seats, air conditioning, patented crash protection zones plus four air bags featuring POSIPS (Porsches side impact protection system) a good quality "full closure" alarm immobiliser system and a full leather interior, phew! ]. The 996 TT is truly an all weathers super car that you can use every day. Interestingly unlike previous generations of the Turbo the motoring press have consistently rated the TT ahead of it's naturally aspirated brothers.
996TT tech-checkGear ratios: Manual transmission /Tiptronic S -1st gear 3.82/ 3.59 2nd gear 2.05/ 2.19 3rd gear 1.41/ 1.41 4th gear 1.12/ 1.0 5th gear 0.92/ 0.83 6th gear 0.75 """"reverse ""2.86 ""1.93/""3.16 Axle-drive ratio Manual transmission Tiptronic S 3.44 2.89
Suspension: Front: Independent, Porsche-optimized McPherson design, with suspension struts, lateral struts, and longitudinal control arm; coil springs, twin-tube gas-pressure shock absorbers, and stabilizer bar. Rear: Independent, five links per side, coil springs, mono-tube gas-pressure shock absorbers, and stabilizer bar. Brakes: Dual-circuit braking system with vacuum servo-assist, four-piston monobloc fixedcaliper brakes with internally-vented and cross-drilled discs front and rear, anti-lock braking system (ABS). Porsche Stability Management (PSM) electronic driving dynamics control, with automatic intervention in throttle control and braking system. Wheels& tyres: Front Rims: 8J x 18; tyres:225/40ZR18 Rear Rims: 11J x 18; tyres:295/30ZR 18 Body: Two-door coupe, unitized sheet-steelbody; length: 174.6 in. (4,435 mm); width: 72.0 in. (1,830 mm); height: 51.0 in. (1,295 mm); wheelbase: 92.5 in. (2,350 mm); front track: 57.7 in. (1,465 mm), rear track: 59.9 in. (1,522 mm); unladen weight: 3,395 lbs. (1,540 kg) for manual; 3,494 lbs. (1,585 kg) for Tiptronic S Performance : Acceleration Manual transmission/ Tiptronic S 0""100 km/h (0""62 mph) 4.2 s/4.9 s 0 ""160 km/h (0""99 mph) 9.3 s/10.4 s 0""1000 m 22.4s/23.9 s Maximum speed Manual transmission: 190 mph (305 km/h) Tiptronic S: 185 mph (298 km/h)
Guest
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I have started looking again (3rd time in acouple of years) but this time i am determined to get one! The only thing i have found out that might be relevant is the change in 2003 to the MOST bus with fibre optic cabling. Thsi makes the addittion of any aftermarket ICE a bit trickier but not impossible. I think that if it is MOST then a 6 CD changer is £1k from Porsche...
The earlier Porsche satnav is pants compared with Audi / BMW but got better in 03. I would not worry about having it as an option as there are better ways of not getting lost now !![]
The earlier Porsche satnav is pants compared with Audi / BMW but got better in 03. I would not worry about having it as an option as there are better ways of not getting lost now !![
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Grant
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Hi Colin,ORIGINAL: ColinC2
The earlier Porsche satnav is pants compared with Audi / BMW but got better in 03. I would not worry about having it as an option as there are better ways of not getting lost now !![
you are probably right that the system isn't as good as others from BMW & in the aftermarket, but Porsche residuals are always best with original equipment fitted & it is important to have Sat Nav on your Turbo for best re-sale, generally O.P.Cs wont buy a TT without PCM, unless it's "cheap". With shopping trolleys now coming with Sat Nav buyers will want their expensive Porker to have the latest toy!!! If your not bothered obout best re-sale (like Stuart who is keeping his TT in the long term) then it isn't an issue.
Cheers
Grant
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I still got the important bits of spec though, just in case.[]
The future is uncertain and you never know - my current financial position may be transient.[8|]
(And of course there is the chance I might get banned for over exuberant right foot action and given 20 years hard labour.)
Longer term I am not so sure about the sat nav - it depends on whether the discs will become out of date.
The aftermarket DVD systems are better and may have a more certain upgrade path. The integrated screen is quite nice to have though.
It may be worth less without it, but then you pay less in the first place. Whether this balances out, I'm not sure.
The CD auto changer may also become obsolete as more people use MP3 solutions. Besides on the C4S and the turbo the edge of it rubs against the underside of the bonnet (or should I say luggage compartment lid?)
It's just a shame about the air con saying "Manuell" and the gap between the centre console and the dashboard. But not much you can do about that.
What I'm wondering is what bits they will change on the 997TT and whether these can be bolted onto the 996, thus giving a cheap(er) upgrade path.
]The future is uncertain and you never know - my current financial position may be transient.[8|]
(And of course there is the chance I might get banned for over exuberant right foot action and given 20 years hard labour.)
Longer term I am not so sure about the sat nav - it depends on whether the discs will become out of date.
The aftermarket DVD systems are better and may have a more certain upgrade path. The integrated screen is quite nice to have though.
It may be worth less without it, but then you pay less in the first place. Whether this balances out, I'm not sure.
The CD auto changer may also become obsolete as more people use MP3 solutions. Besides on the C4S and the turbo the edge of it rubs against the underside of the bonnet (or should I say luggage compartment lid?)
It's just a shame about the air con saying "Manuell" and the gap between the centre console and the dashboard. But not much you can do about that.
What I'm wondering is what bits they will change on the 997TT and whether these can be bolted onto the 996, thus giving a cheap(er) upgrade path.
Guest
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Agree with your point on residuals so i guess it is a balance between having a good system when owning the car (which of course can be removed when the car is sold) and having to suffer a not so good system for ownership of the car to keep the residual a bit higher!! My friends at Paragon (probably one of the best non OPC dealers) tell me that the satnav makes about 1k difference regardless of age of car.
Guest
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I am looking at a 996 Turbo 2003 with 10,000 miles in Silver:
Aluminum Look small package
PCM System
Sports Seats
Aluminium Look Rear Console
Aluminium Look Instrumant Dials
Gear/Handbrake Lever in Aluminium
Rear Parking Assistance
PCM Telephone Module
6CD Autochanger
Can anyone give me an idea re price for it?
Thanks
Aluminum Look small package
PCM System
Sports Seats
Aluminium Look Rear Console
Aluminium Look Instrumant Dials
Gear/Handbrake Lever in Aluminium
Rear Parking Assistance
PCM Telephone Module
6CD Autochanger
Can anyone give me an idea re price for it?
Thanks
Guest
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Go to www.porsche.co.uk and use the search agent to look for UK turbos.
You can list them by year. Look at the ones for the same year - there should be a 10-15 I would guess and then have a look at the mileage.
Bear in mind that trade in is 5-8K less than OPC retail, so private sale should be somewhere in the middle (allowing for condition).
Also bear in mind that OPC give you a 1 year warranty, privately you get nowt.
However, if it passes the OPC inspection you can get it on their warranty scheme for for 750ish a year up to 10 years/100K miles old.
You can list them by year. Look at the ones for the same year - there should be a 10-15 I would guess and then have a look at the mileage.
Bear in mind that trade in is 5-8K less than OPC retail, so private sale should be somewhere in the middle (allowing for condition).
Also bear in mind that OPC give you a 1 year warranty, privately you get nowt.
However, if it passes the OPC inspection you can get it on their warranty scheme for for 750ish a year up to 10 years/100K miles old.
Guest
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Depends on how good you are at negotiating, how desireably the car in question is specced and whether they have made their numbers for the month.
For new cars they do not entertain "doing a deal". But used gives you some bargaining room.
I don't see too much sign that they are struggling to sell turbos, at least in good colour combinations with lowish miles and a decent spec. So I would guess you will not get much movement.
You might get an umbrella if you're lucky.
For new cars they do not entertain "doing a deal". But used gives you some bargaining room.
I don't see too much sign that they are struggling to sell turbos, at least in good colour combinations with lowish miles and a decent spec. So I would guess you will not get much movement.
You might get an umbrella if you're lucky.
garyw
Moderator
[:'(] I didn't even get an umbrella with a new one [
]OPC and discount in the same sentence, this forum getting a scary place to be
nice choice of cars on the OPC network at the moment..you would normally get warranty when you buy a used one, at least 12months Porsche warranty
garyw
911_turbo
New member
I looked at a couple of 996tt's at the weekend but ended up getting confused about a couple of things. I was told different things by different dealers. Can anyone tell me for sure:
1) When PSM was upgraded to PSM2 and will I really notice the difference?
2) When was the interior upgraded and what changes were made?
3) Can PCM receive traffic information and re-route you if there is a jam ahead?
1) When PSM was upgraded to PSM2 and will I really notice the difference?
2) When was the interior upgraded and what changes were made?
3) Can PCM receive traffic information and re-route you if there is a jam ahead?
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