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962lm

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Morning all

Im a current Cayman S driver thinking about swapping to a 997 or maybe a 996 GT3RS

Can any one help with a run down of which cars suffered the engine issues based on the capacities?

Boxster

2.7 - RMS IMS D Chunk
2.9 - ?
3.2 - ?

Cayman

2.9 - RMS IMS D Chunk
3.4 - Early models to '06?

996

3.4 - RMS IMS D Chunk
3.6 - ?

997

3.6 - ?
3.8 - ?
4.0 - Dribble!

Any help of info is most appreciated.
 
Barry,

You can get quite a bit of buying info. here. Isolated problems of scored engine bores seem mostly to affect pre-DFI engines.

If you are concerned about a specific vehicle, commission an engine leakage test before purchase. This will set your mind at rest.

Regards,

Clive.

 

You're best talking directly to Hartec (http://www.hartech.org/) for an in-depth appraisal of these issues Barry.

Before the Gen 2 997 and 987 series 911s and Boxsters/Caymans were introduced with the DFI engines (which eliminated the IMS and it's associated problems) there were upgrades to the IMS/bearing/seal designed to minimise these problems. I think that the Gen 2 engine block is cast using the Alusil process, replacing the Lokasil process used in the earlier engines - whether or not this will minimise the D-chunk problem remains to be seen.

The GT3 uses the much more robust race-derived Mezger engine as did the Turbo until the current vehicle which, I believe, now uses the 997.2 engine as its core.

Hope that's of some use.

Jeff
 
Our gen 1 turbo has now covered 67000 miles 25000 of those we have done,so far we have had a turbo actuator
and today it is in for a new water pump all under warranty.
Not bad considering the miles it has done also it is still on it's original clutch
brilliant cars
Changing the subject slightly,We did try hard to get away from a Mclaren the other weekend
Not a chance
Paul
 
My understnading was that the turbo cars were generally better with regard to reliability anyway.

Im a Porsche convert these days i love them!

Buying the Cayman S has been the best car experience of my life. It drives so well, looks great and handles amazing. Touching all the wood i can find the only blot in its copy book has been a Temp Sender needing replacing which i did myself for the princely sum of 18 quid. Its on 48k now and still on original brakes and clutch. Brakes will need doing in the next month or 2.

Its left me with the dilemma of where do i go next now though.... 997 GT3RS is ideal but funds may limit that to being just a GT3. Carrera 2S appeals but me being me i want a more motorsport inspired car.
 
ORIGINAL: 962lm

My understnading was that the turbo cars were generally better with regard to reliability anyway.

Im a Porsche convert these days i love them!

Buying the Cayman S has been the best car experience of my life. It drives so well, looks great and handles amazing. Touching all the wood i can find the only blot in its copy book has been a Temp Sender needing replacing which i did myself for the princely sum of 18 quid. Its on 48k now and still on original brakes and clutch. Brakes will need doing in the next month or 2.

Its left me with the dilemma of where do i go next now though.... 997 GT3RS is ideal but funds may limit that to being just a GT3. Carrera 2S appeals but me being me i want a more motorsport inspired car.
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Just a GT3? [:)] Have you considered a GTS? I've swapped to one from my Gen2 CS and I love it. It's a nice bridge between the Carrera and GT3.

Here's my beast:
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GTS is lovely, I have friend with a black one that is lovely to look at not had a ride in yet though. It's a good option and something I should consider. Has yours got the full aero kit as well?
 

ORIGINAL: 962lm

GTS is lovely, I have friend with a black one that is lovely to look at not had a ride in yet though. It's a good option and something I should consider. Has yours got the full aero kit as well?
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Coming from a Cayman S I think you might find the GTS a bit of a hand full. At the prices they command right now, nothing below 70k, I think you would be best advised to wait for the new 981 Cayman S (expected Q1/13 I'm now told) before taking the plunge. I love mine too: have you driven a GEN II?
 
No not driven a gen 2 but considered a CR but don't know if it will be enough.

GTS is prob out of the equation on money grounds but 997GT3 is tempting. I'm not sure if the new 981 Cayman will be as good with regard to the feel and tactility of what I have now. No idea until I drive one though. I'm a bit of a purist so want performance and handling with out pushing buttons to access it. I like a car to be just right off the bat with a pure setup
 
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Coming from a Cayman S I think you might find the GTS a bit of a hand full. At the prices they command right now, nothing below 70k, I think you would be best advised to wait for the new 981 Cayman S (expected Q1/13 I'm now told) before taking the plunge. I love mine too: have you driven a GEN II?
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Can't really agree about the GTS. It is a lovely, well planted car. Of course, it does have over 400BHP, so it sorts the men out from the boys. Also, there seem to be plenty around well under £70K. You can take your pick in the £60K's and I even found this one in the £50's without much searching. [:)]

Regards,

Clive.
 
Thanks - yes it's got the aerokit, makes it in my own personal opinion. After having mine for a short time it's a fantastic car, but there are certain places I now cannot take it as it's quite low at the front (with the lower front lip) I've already had the lip resprayed at 720 miles :) So I would make sure if it's your only car that you consider everyday practicality with something a GT3RS.

I'm going to be booking my front aerokit lip in for respray every year :) The difference in torque curve of the GTS is noticeable over my old GenII S, and the induction sounds better too. And the grip is astounding!

ORIGINAL: 962lm

GTS is lovely, I have friend with a black one that is lovely to look at not had a ride in yet though. It's a good option and something I should consider. Has yours got the full aero kit as well?
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No not driven a gen 2 but considered a CR but don't know if it will be enough.

GTS is prob out of the equation on money grounds but 997GT3 is tempting. I'm not sure if the new 981 Cayman will be as good with regard to the feel and tactility of what I have now. No idea until I drive one though. I'm a bit of a purist so want performance and handling with out pushing buttons to access it. I like a car to be just right off the bat with a pure setup
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After having a new Boxster S for the weekend, I'd say the new Cayman is going to be all the car you ever need. I was astounded how good the new Boxster is (even if the steering is slightly less feelsome). If the Cayman looks as good as the Boxsters then I may move into (hopefully a more hardcore version) of the new car (I would like both really but the boss of the house won't allow it!).
 

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ORIGINAL: chrisH
Coming from a Cayman S I think you might find the GTS a bit of a hand full. At the prices they command right now, nothing below 70k, I think you would be best advised to wait for the new 981 Cayman S (expected Q1/13 I'm now told) before taking the plunge. I love mine too: have you driven a GEN II?
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Can't really agree about the GTS. It is a lovely, well planted car. Of course, it does have over 400BHP, so it sorts the men out from the boys. Also, there seem to be plenty around well under £70K. You can take your pick in the £60K's and I even found this one in the £50's without much searching. [:)]

Regards,

Clive.
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I agree the GTS is a great and well planted car but coming from a Cayman S, a 911 is inherently more challenging to drive fast and with 400bhp is not as easy to put the power down, unlike your 4WD Turbo S. Even if you can find a nice GTS in the 60s my point is the new Cayman S in the 50s mght be worth the wait.
 

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ORIGINAL: Lancerlot

ORIGINAL: chrisH
Coming from a Cayman S I think you might find the GTS a bit of a hand full. At the prices they command right now, nothing below 70k, I think you would be best advised to wait for the new 981 Cayman S (expected Q1/13 I'm now told) before taking the plunge. I love mine too: have you driven a GEN II?
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Can't really agree about the GTS. It is a lovely, well planted car. Of course, it does have over 400BHP, so it sorts the men out from the boys. Also, there seem to be plenty around well under £70K. You can take your pick in the £60K's and I even found this one in the £50's without much searching. [:)]

Regards,

Clive.
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I agree the GTS is a great and well planted car but coming from a Cayman S, a 911 is inherently more challenging to drive fast and with 400bhp is not as easy to put the power down, unlike your 4WD Turbo S. Even if you can find a nice GTS in the 60s my point is the new Cayman S in the 50s mght be worth the wait.
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That depends. Mine is a GTS4 so I have no problems getting the power down! [:)] It's personal choice I guess at the end of the day. They all have their own characteristics. There is something special though about getting to know the 911 over time. I find it personally challenging these days with the states of our roads/traffic to get the best out of any car (for me living in commuter belt land anyway).

If I could, I'd have a Boxster, Cayman and 911 to solve the problem [:)]
 
Yes, the 4S is the ulitmate GTS, but price is a factor and I'm sure you can't pick one up for less than 80k, yet.
I would't mind a go in one of those myself[;)]
 
Your right Alan,

There seem to be few around. For example, both these are under £70K:-

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/...97/911-997-carrera-4-coupe-gts-2dr-pdk/616425
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/...-997/porsche-911-997-carrera-gts-coupe/782887

and I certainly wouldn't necessarily agree the GTS4 is the ultimate model either.

The GTS2 I drove was beautifully balanced with pin-sharp handling, whereas the C4S I drove earlier was blunter and understeered. I've not driven a GTS4 but, since it boasts the same power output as the GTS2, it will have an obvious weight penalty, likely to have a significant effect on performance. That's not to say the 4 is not a very desirable car, though! [:D]

Regards,

Clive
 

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Your right Alan,

There seem to be few around. For example, both these are under £70K:-

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/...97/911-997-carrera-4-coupe-gts-2dr-pdk/616425
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/...-997/porsche-911-997-carrera-gts-coupe/782887

and I certainly wouldn't necessarily agree the GTS4 is the ultimate model either.

The GTS2 I drove was beautifully balanced with pin-sharp handling, whereas the C4S I drove earlier was blunter and understeered. I've not driven a GTS4 but, since it boasts the same power output as the GTS2, it will have an obvious weight penalty, likely to have a significant effect on performance. That's not to say the 4 is not a very desirable car, though! [:D]

Regards,

Clive
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Clive, you'll have me crying soon about my car stating those prices :) I'd imagine the 2 will be more purer as you say but it doesn't stop me grinning everytime I drive mine! I will be getting mine up to Chris (CG) at some point though to sharpen the geo up.

Simon

 
Simon,

Just a personal impression as I'm sure you can appreciate. As I said previously I haven't driven the GTS4, so am making assumptions, but as it works for you that's really all that matters. [;)]

Long ago, I gave up worrying about residuals and found a freedom hitherto unknown. It means I can drive anyway, for any distance and as often as I like. I recommend it for carefree enjoyment and a greatly enhanced driving experience. [8|]

Good luck with Chris, I'm sure he'll do the business for you.[:)]

Regards,

Clive.
 
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