997GT2 v Scud

[Lancerlot]

I've just about read all I can in this month's comics regarding these 2 new supacars and I rather get the impression that almost everyone thinks the Ferrari 430 Scuderia is the better car AND will be seen as one of the marque's classic creations in years to come. [&:]

I've seen both models at the Frankurt Motor Show and I must admit the Scud. looks the more startling on the stand - loads of charisma and carbon composite!
But is this all just hype and, when it comes to the crunch, is the GT2 the one that is really going to cut the mustard?
What do other forums members think? [8|]
Regards,
Clive

 

[Alan Woods]

How big are those discs [8D]

http://www.ferrariworld.com/fwe/events/430Scuderia/index.jsp

 

[oceancarrera]

For the £40k+ more being asked for the Scud, it should be better than the GT2 in all respects. Fezzas are really on top of their game at the moment... and Porsche, well,... their attention has been on the... Cayenne Hybrid and Panamera... [&:][]

 

[Lancerlot]

Alan,
15.6 x 1.4 in Front: 13.7 x 1.3 in Rear. []
Regards,
Clive

 

[Grant]

With all that torque, on road the GT2 will be quicker, but I still can't escape the fear induced by the depreciation of the 996GT2, so I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.... until it's a few years old & half price, then WHAT A FABULOUS CAR!!!!
Anyway I'm biased the GT3 is too fast on road so god knows what the Scuderia & GT2 will be like, so I'll save myself £50- £90,000 & stick with a 997GT3 thanks, best drivers Porsche in the range bar none[] (ok maybe the RS, but only nats knackers split them!) but then again the Boxster S is great with the roof down for much less & the 997S is superb to drive , I like the CaymanS & the Turbos mid-range is addictive........[]!!!!

 

[garyw]

I think the Scud is always going to win on desirability and looks, it takes your breath away visually as Ferrari's always have... as said before stepping into a Ferrari is an event in itself...

Driven as intended though.. I wouldn't like to make the choice...

garyw

 

[Rodney Naghar]

ORIGINAL: garyw

I think the Scud is always going to win on desirability and looks, it takes your breath away visually as Ferrari's always have... as said before stepping into a Ferrari is an event in itself...

Driven as intended though.. I wouldn't like to make the choice...

garyw

Chris Harris on the Scud
http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=228237&CT=V

Chris Harris on the GT2
http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=228368&CT=V

I'll go out on a limb here and say, he prefers the Scud, and will continue to do so even after he takes the GT2 on the track....

 

[sawood12]

ORIGINAL: garyw

I think the Scud is always going to win on desirability and looks, it takes your breath away visually as Ferrari's always have... as said before stepping into a Ferrari is an event in itself...

Driven as intended though.. I wouldn't like to make the choice...

garyw

Not so sure I agree with you there. I sat in a 430 at one of those Best of the Best stands at the airport a few weeks ago and I was disgusted at the state of the interior. For such an expensive car it looked like it had been put together by an amature in their garage - had a real kit car feel about it. I was very dissapointed. I stepped out of that and sat in a 997 turbo that was next to it - what a world of difference. From the cockpit at least the 997 is in a different league altogether than the Ferrari. It did look nice from the outside though.

 

[garyw]

Scott, your last sentance was the point I was making [] thats what the majority will see/say

garyw

 

[Lancerlot]

Scott,
The Scud has a better standard of cabin finish than the stock 430 - or at least the one on the display stand that I saw had. []
Regards,
Clive

 

[garyw]

EVO magazine have this very debate in this months magazine....[8|]

I shall remain silent in order not to ruin the outcome for readers []

garyw

 

[juliany27]

ORIGINAL: garyw

I think the Scud is always going to win on desirability and looks, it takes your breath away visually as Ferrari's always have... as said before stepping into a Ferrari is an event in itself...

Driven as intended though.. I wouldn't like to make the choice...

garyw

Gary

I would love to have both the opportunity to drive the cars as intended, and then to make the choice. Dream on []

 

[sawood12]

Just read the Evo report. A bit dissapointed that it took the form of two seperate reports rather than a direct comparison, however both sound like unbeleivable cars. With the GT2 laping the Nordschlief quicker than the Carrera GT (the previous unofficial production car record holder before the Zonda) just says it all. Sounds like there is nothing much in it from the drivers perspective. Ferrari seem to have just pipped it from the on-paper stats - however Ferrari are renowned for overstating power and performance figures and Porsche are renowned for understating them so I don't think you can take that as read.

Sounds to me the GT2 has the better chassis. With all the no-doubt F1 derrived electronics that Ferrari have crammed into the car you'd have thought it would have made a significant difference, but from the sounds of it, it is too close to call so the much more mechanical chassis of the GT2 is clearly holding its own against the best the Ferrari engineers can throw at it.

I still think for a £160k+ car the Ferrari's interior is a bit of a joke. The dash clocks look cheap and nasty plastic and a 3-bar chequer-plate floor may be acceptable on a Cateram or a kit car you've built in your own garage, but not on a £160k supercar.

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: sawood12
Just read the Evo report. A bit disappointed that it took the form of two separate reports rather than a direct comparison, however both sound like unbelievable cars. >>

<<I still think for a £160K+ car the Ferrari's interior is a bit of a joke. The dash clocks look cheap and nasty plastic and a 3-bar checker-plate floor may be acceptable on a Caterham or a kit car you've built in your own garage, but not on a £160k supercar.

Hi Scott,
That's a good summary.
I believe Evo Mag. or one of the the others will be doing a back-to-back feature next month.
As regards the Scud's price - this has now been released at £172,500 - base model. Doesn't include stripes (£4,500) wing shields (£1,000) and carbon goodies ie. airbox, shift light steering wheel etc. (£7,000). Further options as and when I get them.

Top Gear Mag. thinks the Scud is the best Ferrari ever made. It's a heart over head thing I suppose. [8|] I've just returned from the 997 North Wales trip and have to say that in the real world the 997 TT will take a lot of beating!
Thanks for your contribution.
Regards,
Clive

 

[Alan Woods]

The other thing to consider is residuals. Compare 360CS to 996 GT2 prices now... [:-] If that is factor when you buy up to a 200k car?

Of course the 997 GT2 appears to be much better (read=user friendly) than it's predcessor and that will hopefully stop the freefall - that and the numbers built of course.

Nice dilemma to have though... my answer BTW = GT3

Car has the pair on this month's cover too:
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/magazine.php?issue=15&issue_territory=UK

Alan

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: Lancerlot
As regards the Scud's price - this has now been released at £172,500 - base model. Doesn't include stripes (£4,500) wing shields (£1,000) and carbon goodies ie. airbox, shift light steering wheel etc. (£7,000). Further options as and when I get them.

Further details as promised:-
Ferrari Model 430 Scuderia
Pricing BASIC VAT VEHICLE EXCISE DUTY FIRST REGISTRATION FEE OTR
£172,500.00

4 Point Safety Harnesses* £1.535.00
Trolley for Luggage Compartment £1,150.00
Trolley, Soft Bag, Suit Case fot Luggage Compartment £2,635.00
Underdoor Moulding and Wheel Arch in Technical Fabric £1,070.00
Underdoor Moulding and Wheel Arch in Black Alcantara £1,235.00
Door Sill Cover in Carbon Fibre £1,480.00
Underdoor Moulding and Wheel Arch in Black Leather £1,440.00
Radio Bluetooth £1,730.00
Brake Calipers in Aluminium £585.00
Brake Calipers in Red £585.00
Brake Calipers in Rosso Scuderia £585.00
Brake Calipers in Yellow £585.00
6 CD Changer £715.00
Carbon Fibre Front - Central Front Wing & Headlight Compartment £3,125.00
C/Fibre Underdoor Cover - Exterior Side Skirts (Painted Body Colour) £4,525.00
C/Fibre Rear - Rear Diffuser& Engine Bonnet (Rear Lip with 3rd Level
Brake Light Painted Body Colour) £9,460.00
Dedication Plate in Silver £245.00
Fully Trimmed Boot £650.00
Handy Fire Extinguisher £375.00
Alcantara Trim Interior £2,385.00
Leather Trim Interior £2,880.00
IPOD Installation (Not available with CDCH) £495.00
Carbon Steering Wheel with Upper Crown and LEDs £1,560.00
Integrated Radio Navigation System £2,635.00
Passenger Airbag Off Kit £305.00
Out of Range Paint Colour £1,840.00
Racing Livery £4,525.00
Classic Paint Colour £5,580.00
Gold Coloured Wheel Rims £1,080.00
Road Legal Roll-Bar £1,800.00
Driver's Seat Adjustment Device £1,315.00
Colour on Request for Standard Stitching £245.00
Special Stitching Colour on Request £245.00
Tone on Tone Stitching STCT £245.00
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System £590.00
Space Saver Wheel Kit £640.00

You could end up with a really expensive car here! [&:][8|]
Regards,
Clive

 

[Alan Woods]

Mmmmm, after careful consideration I could possibly live without the Trolley for Luggage Compartment []

 

[Guest]

As much as I love my 911, I dont think it can ever live upto a Ferrari for outright in your face looks and head turning factor. The engines Ferrari make are about as good as it gets for sound (in my opinion, anyway). But running one, and living with one, is a very very different matter. They are just stupid money to run, and not reliable enough to warrant the price in my opinion.