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997S PDK V Aston Martin Vantage

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They say racing improves the breed "" but car buyers have to be patient to feel any benefits of motorsport programmes. Just look at Porsche. Even though the German supercar company first developed a twin-clutch gearbox for its competition entries back in the Eighties, 0the technology has only now filtered down to the legendary 911.

The clever new PDK set-up is billed as an alternative to Porsche's excellent manual gearbox, but it effectively replaces the old Tiptronic automatic. Few cars deliver the driving thrills of a 911 "" so does this transmission get the thumbs-up?

To find out, we've put the recently revised 911 Carrera S "" complete with direct fuel injection and improvements to the cabin "" up against some talented opposition from much closer to home. The gorgeous Aston Martin V8 Vantage needs no introduction. It delivers a blend of raw speed and stunning looks to rival any ultra-high-performance model in the world "" and it's now available with the latest generation of the company's automated manual transmission.

The single-clutch system is called Sportshift, and it promises to provide the Vantage with a sportier driving experience than the conventional manual model "" but which of these race-inspired cars will take the chequered flag first?


Not many modern cars can trace their roots back 45 years, but this is the kind of rich heritage that makes Porsche's 911 so special. The legend has evolved into a hugely capable sports car, and the German manufacturer has just unveiled a raft of improvements designed to keep it at the head of the field.

From the outside, only the revised rear light clusters and LED daytime running lamps give the game away "" the company has wisely left the trademark looks well alone.

Designers have followed the same approach with the beautifully crafted cabin, although buyers now get the option of a superb touchscreen interface to control the stereo, sat-nav and phone, as well as improved ventilation controls.

The big news comes under the skin. The distinctive flat-six 3.8-litre engine now features direct injection technology to reduce fuel consumption and lower emissions. It works: the 911 returned 15.3mpg during its time with us and officially produces 240g/km "" giving it better economy and CO2 output than its more powerful rival.

But this car is all about its new transmission: the catchily named Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetrieb, or PDK. This translates as double-clutch gearbox, and the set-up "" a £2,338 option "" works on the same principle as VW's DSG system.

It's certainly easy to use. Select Drive using the conventional shift lever and away you go. The creep built into the system as you release the brake arrives smoothly and progressively, so it feels like an automatic when manoeuvring at low speeds and in stop-start traffic. Left to its own devices, the PDK makes Porsche's old Tiptronic feel clunky "" gearchanges in auto mode are well timed, and are barely noticeable compared to the more mechanical shifts provided by the Aston.

Seize manual control, though, and the PDK reveals some irritating flaws. Our biggest gripe concerns the gear selection buttons on the steering wheel. You push them to change up and pull them towards you to change down, which is counter-intuitive because as your weight is pushed forwards under heavy braking you need to pull on the buttons to downshift. It's also easy to catch these buttons with your thumbs during cornering, causing an unwanted upshift at just the wrong moment.

As an alternative you can use the shift lever on the centre console, but its beautifully spring-loaded action is configured to operate like the fiddly steering wheel buttons.

Our other complaint is that the PDK software kicks down too readily, robbing the driver of ultimate control. Enthusiasts will no doubt prefer the more tactile and rewarding manual gearbox, although the 911 PDK is quicker against the clock "" and it can show the Vantage a clean pair of heels.

While the Porsche has 35bhp less power than the Aston, it covered 0-60mph on a wet track in 4.4 seconds "" seven tenths up on the British car.

The PDK is an impressive piece of engineering, and it makes exploring the 911's excellent handling, huge grip and tremendous brakes easier than ever. As a replacement for the old Tiptronic it's extremely effective. But is the Porsche package good enough to win?


If the 911 is the quintessential Porsche, the V8 Vantage looks every inch an Aston Martin. With its distinctive grille and sleek headlamps, the entry-level car is guaranteed to turn heads "" it gets far more admiring glances than its understated rival here.

Climb inside and the cabin follows the glitz of the exterior. Glossy piano black trim features on the centre console and the instruments have a hi-tech metallic backdrop. There's even a pop-up screen for the optional satellite navigation system, although its controls are more complicated than the touchscreen set-up now offered in the Porsche.

The bad news for the Aston is that it's not as well built as its rival. If you look closely you'll even find pieces of poorly fitting trim.

Start the engine and the last thing on your mind will be some shabby build quality. Push the key (Aston calls it the Emotion Control Unit) into its recess on the centre console and the 420bhp V8 barks into life. There's no traditional lever, so to select a gear you either press the button marked D for "˜drive' on the centre console or tug the right-hand paddle behind the steering wheel. Then you simply release the fly-off handbrake to the right of the driver's seat and take your foot off the brake to pull away.

The differences between the transmissions are immediately apparent. The Aston's single-clutch Sportshift system "" a £3,000 extra "" is neither as smooth nor as fast as the PDK, and in stop-start traffic the clutch engages with a jolt.

Increase the pace and gearchanges are punctuated by a marked hesitation in acceleration. Plus, unlike with the seamless Porsche set-up, to get a perfectly smooth upshift you have to lift off. The PDK doesn't hold all the aces, though, as Aston's Sportshift is much more logical to use.

Its alloy paddles are fixed to the steering column, and you simply pull the left-hand lever to change down and the right-hand one to shift up. This arrangement couldn't be simpler, and takes no time at all to get used to. Another plus is that the Aston doesn't kick down mid-bend if you accelerate hard in a higher gear.

Ultimately, though, the 911 wins the engineering battle. The Vantage gearbox never feels as quick as the PDK and its downchanges lack drama. Rival automated manual boxes from the likes of Maserati and Lamborghini provide a satisfying blip of the throttle to accompany downshifts, but the Aston doesn't and it's far less exciting as a result. Considering the bellowing V8 soundtrack and powerful performance, this has to go down as a missed opportunity.

Enthusiasts will also prefer the Porsche's handling balance, as the Vantage simply doesn't have the same composure or outright grip as the 911. There's unwelcome steering kickback and its rear suspension allows too much body roll during fast cornering to inspire confidence at the limit.

There's no doubt the 911 is smoother, faster and more efficient "" but that doesn't make it any more special. As with any Aston, this V8 Vantage is greater than the sum of its parts. We just wish one of those parts was a manual transmission rather than the Sportshift gearbox...
 
From the outside, only the revised rear light clusters and LED daytime running lamps give the game away "" the company has wisely left the trademark looks well alone.
One minute the motoring press deride Porsche for not making more substantial changes, now they're praising them.

While the Porsche has 35bhp less power than the Aston, it covered 0-60mph on a wet track in 4.4 seconds...
Mmm. Porsche themselves only claim 4.5s for the PDK variant; the one they tested doesn't have the Sport Plus package.

As with any Aston, this V8 Vantage is greater than the sum of its parts. We just wish one of those parts was a manual transmission rather than the Sportshift gearbox...
Sounds like they really don't like the Aston's system - apart from its paddles.
 
Have you seen the costs of the AMV8's recently !![:eek:]

I know that we've had many threads on here about residuals on our 997's, but the AM are now knocking on the 30K bracket..!

garyw
 
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Have you seen the costs of the AMV8's recently !![:eek:]

I know that we've had many threads on here about residuals on our 997's, but the AM are now knocking on the 30K bracket..!

garyw

That low? I've seen them for low 40s on PH but not 30s?
 
When we come out of this crunch, recession or whatever. I'm going to have a fleet of 3 or 4 performance cars for the price of a new 997 Turbo
 
ORIGINAL: garyw

Have you seen the costs of the AMV8's recently !![:eek:]

garyw

How tempting is this brand new example £40k off list
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Yes, they have a over supplied stock of the AMV8's, I've seen another brand new car for £63K with a good spec on it.. [&:]

garyw
 
ORIGINAL: garyw

Yes, they have a over supplied stock of the AMV8's, I've seen another brand new car for £63K with a good spec on it.. [&:]

garyw
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Detailed UK registration figures for October have just been released, with all but two manufacturers recording a dramatic reduction on the same period last year. Overall, the market fell by 23.05 per cent, but with November and December being relatively quiet months for new car sales, it's clear that the total of sales for this year is going to be substantially down on 2007.
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The SMMT figures will make especially depressing reading for anyone who hoped that September's dismal numbers marked the bottom of the slump. Luxury manufacturers have been hit particularly hard, with Bentley recording a 47.6 per cent drop over October 2007, the company registering just 87 cars. Porsche has dropped 38.3 per cent and Aston Martin is down by 33.0 per cent.
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Specialist SUV manufacturers Land Rover and Jeep have been particularly badly hit by the economic downturn, and the recent record fuel prices. Land Rover's registrations declined by 57.9 per cent compared to last year, Jeep's by 62.6 per cent.

Among mainstream manufacturers, Renault has posted the most dramatic fall. Last October the company registered 9356 cars in the UK, this year it's managed just 4328 in the same month "" a 53.8 per cent fall. The company is also down 25 per cent on its year-to-date sales compared to last year. Mitsubishi and Peugeot have also had nightmares, down 47.2 per cent and 39.8 per cent respectively.

Chrysler has pretty much ceased to be a volume brand in the UK, with sales falling by 75.8 per cent. The company registered just 138 cars in the UK in October.

Among the premium makers, Audi has once again fared best "" losing just 11.8 percent compared to October '07 "" following on from a slight increase in year-on-year sales in September. BMW has slid 12.2 per cent and Mercedes has slumped by 31.9 per cent.

Among the carnage, good news is hard to find. Ford will be very pleased to have lost only 5.5 per cent over last October. Jaguar has continued to increase sales on the back of the XF launch, posting a 22.4 per cent increase, and Volvo has somehow managed to register 23.3 per cent more cars this October than it did last year.[FONT=verdana,geneva"]
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"October has proved another difficult month for the UK motor industry," commented Paul Everitt, SMMT chief executive, "action is needed to help restore consumer confidence and encourage buyers back to showrooms."[FONT=verdana,geneva"]
 

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