9M - NVR+2 conversion?
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Bit harsh - hope none of your posts are regarding modifying 993's.....
For more info on the 9M conversion, there is this thread:
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=190291&mpage=1&key=𮝓
I've been taken round Bedford in this car, and its a bit of a rockeship
Pete
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I had a modded Evo7 and BMW M Coupe before the 993, took a bit of getting used to, car has grown on me over past few Months, love it.
Not sure why this donkey has such a chip on his shoulder, don't care to be honest, obviously a keyboard warrior with a hardon.
Yeah, I read your post earlier today, sounds amazing, lucky to have been out in it.
9M isn't that far from me, may head over and see what's what.
Cheers for the feedback.
Oh Dear! I won't quote Buckie's PM to me but I think I have upset him a bit.
He presumes I do not own a 993, well I do, he also thinks I am a teenager, which I am not he also indicates that a certain part of my anatomy has changed location.
Buckie's previous posts referred to his disappointment in the performance of his 993. As car that has had over 40 years of development I feel that these cars should be left well alone unless developed in complete way by acknowledged experts in the marque. I have friends who have taken it upon themselves to modify their cars quite dramatically (not Porsche) and it has always led to long term problems. The cars run well for a time, after much fiddling about and then inevitably something somewhere goes wrong or is never fully sorted.
Buckie has been posting about Fabspeed exhausts, remapping, Dastek chips, white dials, short shifting, super and turbocharging, gear knobs etc etc. The list is growing by the week, hence my original post.
Mr Buckie is entitled to do what he likes with his car. In my opinion, though, changing the character of such a beautiful and classic car is not to be encouraged. If you want to turbocharge a car, buy an original turbo or go to a tuning specialist like Ruf who will modify and rebuild the engine, suspension, wheels, brakes and so on and do the job properly.
Mr Buckie's car is approaching its 15th birthday and has probably done between 60,000 and 100,000 miles, is it wise to subject the car to substantial performance enhancement at this stage in its life?
I am not against gentle modification that can enhance the character of the car and I am sure that I will do a number of things to my car over the years that are not necessarily factory options. It seems that Mr Buckie is not happy with a car that the Porsche company has spent tens of millions of pounds and many years developing. This being the case perhaps he should have started with something different and has the performance he is seeking.
My original post was made slightly tongue in cheek and I am sure that 9M has a very fine product.
He presumes I do not own a 993, well I do, he also thinks I am a teenager, which I am not he also indicates that a certain part of my anatomy has changed location.
Buckie's previous posts referred to his disappointment in the performance of his 993. As car that has had over 40 years of development I feel that these cars should be left well alone unless developed in complete way by acknowledged experts in the marque. I have friends who have taken it upon themselves to modify their cars quite dramatically (not Porsche) and it has always led to long term problems. The cars run well for a time, after much fiddling about and then inevitably something somewhere goes wrong or is never fully sorted.
Buckie has been posting about Fabspeed exhausts, remapping, Dastek chips, white dials, short shifting, super and turbocharging, gear knobs etc etc. The list is growing by the week, hence my original post.
Mr Buckie is entitled to do what he likes with his car. In my opinion, though, changing the character of such a beautiful and classic car is not to be encouraged. If you want to turbocharge a car, buy an original turbo or go to a tuning specialist like Ruf who will modify and rebuild the engine, suspension, wheels, brakes and so on and do the job properly.
Mr Buckie's car is approaching its 15th birthday and has probably done between 60,000 and 100,000 miles, is it wise to subject the car to substantial performance enhancement at this stage in its life?
I am not against gentle modification that can enhance the character of the car and I am sure that I will do a number of things to my car over the years that are not necessarily factory options. It seems that Mr Buckie is not happy with a car that the Porsche company has spent tens of millions of pounds and many years developing. This being the case perhaps he should have started with something different and has the performance he is seeking.
My original post was made slightly tongue in cheek and I am sure that 9M has a very fine product.
I agree with much of what you say , but Buckie is entitled to do what he likes with his cars , if some of these mods appear to others as crass, tasteless, and based on uninformed judgement , it is entirely up to him[:'(] but I do think you were a bit harsh , as Buckies previous threads were not available for us to see[
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I agree with much of what you say , but Buckie is entitled to do what he likes with his cars , if some of these mods appear to others as crass, tasteless, and based on uninformed judgement , it is entirely up to him[:'(] but I do think you were a bit harsh , as Buckies previous threads were not available for us to see[
Agreed, plus 9M seem to have quite a reputation with 993s, so are well able to suggest appropriate mods.
Go to the 9m web site for information. www.ninemiester.com or co.uk.
If think the modifications are fantastic. I would so love to have the conversion done to mine esspecially the 350bhp kit.
I have messed with my car - MO30 kit, 18" rims, RS side skirts etc. Its what I love to do and its where im at.
Just do it.
Regards.
If think the modifications are fantastic. I would so love to have the conversion done to mine esspecially the 350bhp kit.
I have messed with my car - MO30 kit, 18" rims, RS side skirts etc. Its what I love to do and its where im at.
Just do it.
Regards.
ubertub
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@NSM... what is the deal with you? Was it a bad day? Geez!
Let the guy mod his car. If it turns out to be shit then don't look at it.
Yep the 993 is beautiful out of the box, but the odd mod could improve it or the RS, S and tt would not exist. And before you start having a go at me, I do have a 993 and it is tastefully, slightly modded. Might not be your cup of tea. So what?
Let the guy mod his car. If it turns out to be shit then don't look at it.
Yep the 993 is beautiful out of the box, but the odd mod could improve it or the RS, S and tt would not exist. And before you start having a go at me, I do have a 993 and it is tastefully, slightly modded. Might not be your cup of tea. So what?
now there's am idea, blue strobes under the bodywork, hopping suspension, maybe some bolt on crudely fabricated GT2 flares to go with my check trouser flares and the Billet head conversion.
Seriously how can improving the breathing of your car be a crass conversion? I have taken a number of the above posters out in my (billet headed, 350BHP, 425nm torque and the topic of a magazine article) car at various circuits and all I feel that I have done is unleash its potential, I know that note everyone wants a reliable 0 - 60 of 4.5 seconds (as tested by total 911) but hey each to his own.
Can I suggest attendance at Maurices 9M seminar (see post at top of board) and then see and question for yourselves.
As to the decades of development, yes the 993 is a very well sorted car, but when a F1 engine design team apply an extra 15 years of design experience to the head gas flow design, is it any wonder that exciting (and reliably non aspirated) things happen
One happy billet head customer (17th birthday next week, can't wait to sit my test ;-)
Sorry lot of tongue in check mixed with fact above!
Seriously how can improving the breathing of your car be a crass conversion? I have taken a number of the above posters out in my (billet headed, 350BHP, 425nm torque and the topic of a magazine article) car at various circuits and all I feel that I have done is unleash its potential, I know that note everyone wants a reliable 0 - 60 of 4.5 seconds (as tested by total 911) but hey each to his own.
Can I suggest attendance at Maurices 9M seminar (see post at top of board) and then see and question for yourselves.
As to the decades of development, yes the 993 is a very well sorted car, but when a F1 engine design team apply an extra 15 years of design experience to the head gas flow design, is it any wonder that exciting (and reliably non aspirated) things happen
One happy billet head customer (17th birthday next week, can't wait to sit my test ;-)
Sorry lot of tongue in check mixed with fact above!
sawood12
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I agree. If you think that when Porsche produces any car that they have engineered the car to deliver the ultimate then you are mistaken. Porsche (or any car manufacturer for that matter) have to make so many compromises to what they would like to deliver that the car ultimately ends up being compromised. Handling is sharp but not too sharp so as not to make the wife in the passenger seat car sick, fast but not so fast that fuel economy and emissions is compromised too much, aerodynamics that are effective but not meaning you can't take the car through an automated car wash etc. Stock is fine. No problems with people keeping their cars stock, but you'd be surprised as to how you can transform these cars with relatively little spend. You get te best of both worlds - modern day levels of performance with the styling, atmosphere and rawness of the older cars. Don't knock it till you've tried it. It's addictive.
I 'm so chuffed with my 944T (and i've still got plans for her) that the only 911 I could perceive swapping for her is a 993 with the NM conversion. Oh and a 996/997GT3 or turbo. If only my Lotto numbers would come up!
I 'm so chuffed with my 944T (and i've still got plans for her) that the only 911 I could perceive swapping for her is a 993 with the NM conversion. Oh and a 996/997GT3 or turbo. If only my Lotto numbers would come up!
To John Spear,
So you have had this conversion carried out to your 993?... is your car a NVR? I ask because mine is, and I am interested in more information.
In fact I have emailed Colin at 9M and I hope to be able to attend the 993 register day up there with Maurice.
Please excuse my very basic grasp of engineering [], but this conversion does not include enlargin the cubic capacity of the engine?
Also, how does an insurance company view such a modification?
Thanks!
So you have had this conversion carried out to your 993?... is your car a NVR? I ask because mine is, and I am interested in more information.
In fact I have emailed Colin at 9M and I hope to be able to attend the 993 register day up there with Maurice.
Please excuse my very basic grasp of engineering [
], but this conversion does not include enlargin the cubic capacity of the engine?Also, how does an insurance company view such a modification?
Thanks!
Hi JP,
Yes a 1995 NVR. The conversion includes:
Heads
Cams, springs and valves
I had solid lifters put in mine for extensive track day use
I had already bought a full cargraphic 110 cell cat exhaust system off ebay, but you will need Colins 100cell cats
Live remap
Colin modifies the intake stubs / injectors (I think?)
No capacity change, slight increase in compression ratio though.
No change to insurance premium but i have extensively uprated the suspension and brakes insurance companies like to see brakes and suspension to go with any engine mods, I live in the country, have full NCB, car is stored in locked garage - premium from memory is about £550 - £600 fully comp incl track day cover.
See you at the dyno day if I can make it
Cheers
John
Yes a 1995 NVR. The conversion includes:
Heads
Cams, springs and valves
I had solid lifters put in mine for extensive track day use
I had already bought a full cargraphic 110 cell cat exhaust system off ebay, but you will need Colins 100cell cats
Live remap
Colin modifies the intake stubs / injectors (I think?)
No capacity change, slight increase in compression ratio though.
No change to insurance premium but i have extensively uprated the suspension and brakes insurance companies like to see brakes and suspension to go with any engine mods, I live in the country, have full NCB, car is stored in locked garage - premium from memory is about £550 - £600 fully comp incl track day cover.
See you at the dyno day if I can make it
Cheers
John
would this 350bhp billit headed thing be the one that produced only twenty more horsepower at the wheels than a std vr 993 at a recent west country rolling road test? I would be intrested in how much per real bhp this has cost. I hope its running bettter at the next shootout otherwise it has the transmission losses of a cheiftan tank!!
P.s this will get john going!!
P.s this will get john going!!
Yep thats the one, big shock to me, so when I got home, I started to check the motor over and I found that a number of the bottom spark plugs are not firing and the engine is a firework display underneath with the leads tracking to earth -moral think twice about running around with the undertray off.
Def made me feel a lot better
So we learn something new, a billet head conversion churns out 310 fly wheel HP (which was the actual printout) with only the top set of plugs working properly. So I guess the bottom set of plugs account for 40 flywheel HP? maybe some of the losses are in Colin's versus Janspeeds RR. I will let you know after the HT system has been replaced next week at its annual service at Tognola's.
One thing I do know is that when we did the independant tests at Elvington (tested by 911 mag) the vmax was 180 and 0-60 4.5 s on the ax22 datalogger, this was when the ignition system wasn't up the spout!
P.S. I have driven a Challenger II main battle tank at full tilt and almost 40mph in one of those monsters is a true experience!
Def made me feel a lot better
So we learn something new, a billet head conversion churns out 310 fly wheel HP (which was the actual printout) with only the top set of plugs working properly. So I guess the bottom set of plugs account for 40 flywheel HP? maybe some of the losses are in Colin's versus Janspeeds RR. I will let you know after the HT system has been replaced next week at its annual service at Tognola's.
One thing I do know is that when we did the independant tests at Elvington (tested by 911 mag) the vmax was 180 and 0-60 4.5 s on the ax22 datalogger, this was when the ignition system wasn't up the spout!
P.S. I have driven a Challenger II main battle tank at full tilt and almost 40mph in one of those monsters is a true experience!
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