Adjustable camber plates

[random hero]

I have some lindsey camber plates but didnt get any fitting instructions with them ,so does anybody know how they fit on ie do they fit above or below the strut top as ive seen cars fitted with them both ways. And do i use just the top mounts and the standard spring cups (mo30) or do i need to buy adaptors ??

 

[nick_968]

Make sure the bearing is ok as I know someone (one of the 968uk guys) who bought a new set last year only to take them off after a few weeks as the bearing had started knocking. The bearing they were using at the time was not good quality and not up to road use.

 

[random hero]

The bearing have been replaced with uprated ones so im told .

 

[sawood12]

You will remove your M030 top mounts so will need a spring compressor. Keep hold of them though as they are rare and very very expensive - about £700 a pair new from the OPC and virtually impossible to get hold of 2nd hand.

As a result of them replacing your current top mounts they must mount from below or you'd need to assemble them on the car as you wouldn't be able to fit them through the turret hole when assembled with your strut.

With the Lindsay camber plates I seem to remember you will need to lower your adjustable suspension to basically the lowest setting to maintian your current ride height. I don't think there is much scope to lower much beyond stock ride height if you've got M030 strus that is.

 

[random hero]

Cheers scott,acording to the lindsey website the mount raise the car by1/2",my m030's did'nt have any top mounts so thats one less job !!. Do they replace the standard mounts and just sit on top of the standard spring hats as the ones that came with them are too small for the m030 springs ??

 

[sawood12]

I've never disassembled a 944 strut so don't really recognise your descriptions. The camber plate will replace the rubber top mount. On other cars where I have disassembled the strut there is only one top mount.

 

[random hero]

The thing i dont understand is the spring hat as the lindsey mount will replace the standard mount but do i need to change the spring hat or just leave the standard one on. The lindsey mounts came with some separate discs which i think are spring hats as they were on kw's but are too small for the m030 springs..

 

[sawood12]

Well the instructions that came with my Racers Edge camber plates told you to remove the spring and assemble it with the spring right up against the underside of the camber plate. My KW's came ready assembled with some spring hads and they were installed in situ, but for the standard strut it definately showed the spring directly up against the underside of the top plate.

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: sawood12

......With the Lindsay camber plates I seem to remember you will need to lower your adjustable suspension to basically the lowest setting to maintian your current ride height. I don't think there is much scope to lower much beyond stock ride height if you've got M030 strus that is.

That is certainly Rick's experience. They turned WUF into a Rally Cross car.

 

[random hero]

These wouldnt fit directly on top of the spring without some sort of hat,ive posted a few pics so you can see what parts ive actually got. http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t308/ramdon-hero/strut1.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t308/ramdon-hero/strut2.jpg

 

[Tam Lin]

The bearing have been replaced with uprated ones so im told .

They have been, trust me [].
The original bearing sitting next to my fish tank shows enough movement to wobble on the end of a finger, never mind a suspension strut. Sorry not to be any help with the mounting.

 

[chrisg]

Random Hero - give me a ring to discuss this issue, I fitted Lindsey top mounts to my M030 Turbo last year. To do the job properly its not easy........ and you really need some fabricated spring tops...

Chris 07793 369509

 

[random hero]

Thanks chris,so i take it i can't just bolt them straight on top of the standard spring hats then ??

 

[frogisland]

No they won't fit. The LR ones work differently from "˜normal' camber plates. The strut ordinarily goes through the upper spring seat and CP with a nut on top. The bulk of the forces are conveyed through the CP bearing. LR CP's use the upper spring seat to rest on the underside of the CP. You will note that they are concave/convex machined. The bulk of the forces will be carried through the upper spring seat/camber plate as opposed the CP bearing.

It does also mean that the upper spring plate can rattle around when the suspension is unloaded (the upper SS rattles side to side on the top of the strut) (I have Bilstein struts) since the strut piston is fixed tightly to the bottom of the CP bearing with the large nut on top. I have tried machined spacers between the top of the strut piston and the upper SS, but to no avail. A fraction of a mm too thick and it clamps the lot together resulting in the piston rotating in the strut when steering (which can't be much good for the seals), too thin and it continues to rattle (but less).

I think Dave L was trying design something better, but IMHO the design has opened up another problem area. It also means that you have to have a specially machined upper SS for each spring diameter as opposed to an off the shelf upper SS that generally fits most camber plates.

If you are able can you take a photo of the other side of the upper SS to show the concave machined area "" it will show how the two parts of the camber plate fit together.

Personnaly i would sell them on, as stated a new upper SS will have to be machined the cost of which will probably be expensive. You could see if Dave L does a upper SS for your springs.

 

[nick_968]

I still have a set of Racers Edge plates for sale in perfect condition if you cant get the Lindsey ones to work. I dont know if your car is for track or road, but for the road any adjustable camber plate is overkill. Only bother if you really need the adjustability for the track.

 

[random hero]

Thanks for the reply frogisland,Ive emailed dave lindsey but have had no reply but by the sounds of it i might just put standard top mounts on for now . The car is going to be used on tracks which is why i wanted the camber plates !!

 

[Peter Empson]

I have the Racers Edge adjustable plates and they've been great. Saying that I don't use the adjustment as I was warned it would be next to impossible to get the settings back (which is understandable). This does result in quite high wear with the camber I'm running, but the turn in is fantastic []

 

[sawood12]

Adjusting the camber plates trackside is not really feasible. The affect on toe out as you increase the camber is massive. I had it measured when my supension was being installed and over the entire camber range the effect on toe-out was a good couple of degrees (can't remember the exact numbers and it is too late to be rummaging around to dig up the read-outs). In reality you would need to adjust your toe settings to compensate which is not feasible trackside. I personally don't think the camber plates are overkill. I've noticed very negligable degredation in ride quality, and that which I have noticed could be put down to the stiffer KW setup anyway. The improvement to handling and the feel of the car far outweighs the pretty negligable negative effects of the camber plates in my opinion. The only negative effects i've noticed are they can be quite noisy at slow speeds, and even then only when you are tightly manouvering at slow speeds like you would in a car park for instance. The handling of my car has been transformed and although most of that transformation is probably down to the KW, a good proportion of it is also down to the camber plates. Not necessarily for everyone, but I like them.

 

[random hero]

Just had an email from dave lindsey ,who has told me they can supply new spring hats to fit the m030 springs !!!

 

[nick_968]

Scott

I agree with the adjusting them on track theory and the effect it has on toe. Most people dont realise this. Around London I found the solid plates too much for the road, but only just. They were just a little too harsh, the ride quality was ok but they just picked up every little imperfection in the road surface and speedbumps were very stiff in the initial compression. Fine on the open road just no good at lower speeds. Not what they are made for I know! I got the chance to switch to some dynatech ones which are hard to get hold of but they have some special bearing with a little more give due to the mounting in a teflon type material or something like that. That took away the harshness but kept the adjustability and direct feel which was a good compromise for me.