Advice re 187000 mile 993.
- Thread starter Mike993
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No idea TBH though in theory it should be good for a lot longer than that. Since everyone seems to want a manual Varioram with aircon, if this doesn't tick those boxes, you might get a bargain. To me it depends on price and past service history, assuming the paperwork is there. Good luck!
And if you actually have a Tiger 800, I'd be interested in your thoughts on it, though not on this forum of course! Maybe by PM if you could be bothered.
And if you actually have a Tiger 800, I'd be interested in your thoughts on it, though not on this forum of course! Maybe by PM if you could be bothered.
scaramanga
Member
^ This.
Condition is everything and I don't think mileage alone should put you off a car.
To be transparent, I have had low mileage 993s previously and can admit that my current car (176k mls) drives better than both previous cars. A test drive and proper inspection are key.
scaramanga
Member
There will certainly be some buyers who won't consider a high mileage car.
But there will be other buyers who are attracted by a car that is available at a lower price point.
A friend of mine recently sold a 993 C2S with 50k miles for £60k. Admittedly it was in good condition.
However, I imagine many people may want a higher mileage car so that they don't feel guilty about using it.
Just my 2p.
But there will be other buyers who are attracted by a car that is available at a lower price point.
A friend of mine recently sold a 993 C2S with 50k miles for £60k. Admittedly it was in good condition.
However, I imagine many people may want a higher mileage car so that they don't feel guilty about using it.
Just my 2p.
clyde
New member
Adding 10k to a 187k isn't going to make any difference to the future value. It's way out of the "low mileage is everything" league as it is; if it had 100k knocked off that mileage it would still be too high. The price is obviously going to reflect the mileage, so the other aspects to consider are the condition and service history. The former you describe as "really good condition" so that's fine but look carefully at the known rust areas, such as the front and rear window surrounds. In the service history I would want to see that it has had a full service every year or 12,000 miles, not just the occasional "oil service". Look for when the suspension, plug leads, etc were replaced and that any advisories on the mot attended to timeously and so on.
If it has been looked after properly then it shouldn't really cost any more to run that a lower mileage car as things will have been sorted as they occurred. The high mileage shouldn't be an issue provided it hasn't been constantly thrashed, which is difficult to tell without taking it apart or at least doing a compression test.
Finally, if it's a good car it's value will still go up in future years, just not as much as a low mileage garage queen.
Mileage schmileage [
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I have just sold my 1987 218k Carrera G50 3.2 coupe & had a ton of buyers interested. It sold within 48 hours. The motor was never rebuilt, used a quart of 20/50W per thousand miles & drove really well.
I have just replaced it with a low mileage (149k!) 1995 993 C2 manual coupe. The motor has never been rebuilt. I had a PPI done & the leak down was 6-9% & it feels as fit as ... you like.
I also had a 130k 964C2 RS tribute that I had dynoed at 128k. The motor had never been touched except for a the addition of a "G" pipe & made 235 rWHP (about 275BHP).
My experience has been that well maintained higher mileage 911's are an absolute joy. They can be driven & enjoyed & are no problem to move on when the time comes.
Enjoy in rude health!
]I have just sold my 1987 218k Carrera G50 3.2 coupe & had a ton of buyers interested. It sold within 48 hours. The motor was never rebuilt, used a quart of 20/50W per thousand miles & drove really well.
I have just replaced it with a low mileage (149k!) 1995 993 C2 manual coupe. The motor has never been rebuilt. I had a PPI done & the leak down was 6-9% & it feels as fit as ... you like.
I also had a 130k 964C2 RS tribute that I had dynoed at 128k. The motor had never been touched except for a the addition of a "G" pipe & made 235 rWHP (about 275BHP).
My experience has been that well maintained higher mileage 911's are an absolute joy. They can be driven & enjoyed & are no problem to move on when the time comes.
Enjoy in rude health!
matthewb
New member
A few years ago, when my 993 C4S was at 150K, I went to JZM to have a few things done. Among the work items was my request to clean the injectors and fit a new chip. Initially they were reluctant as a car at 150k 'would probably have a knackered engine'. However, they then did a compression leak test and found I was good to go.
The man said that when my car came off the production line the compression loss would have been around 9%. My car was 10% on 4 cylinders, 11% on 1 cylinder and 12% on 1 cylinder. His words were "almost new" and he asked me if I drove her hard. I said "to the red line" - which I gather was the right answer.
She's now done 170k and was valued at £41k last year for agreed insurance. BTW although JZM found the engine to be good, the steering rack and just about every piece of rubber (except pipes/tubes) needed changing including engine mounts.
The man said that when my car came off the production line the compression loss would have been around 9%. My car was 10% on 4 cylinders, 11% on 1 cylinder and 12% on 1 cylinder. His words were "almost new" and he asked me if I drove her hard. I said "to the red line" - which I gather was the right answer.
She's now done 170k and was valued at £41k last year for agreed insurance. BTW although JZM found the engine to be good, the steering rack and just about every piece of rubber (except pipes/tubes) needed changing including engine mounts.
scaramanga
Member
Agree with Eean's message.
My current 176k mile car feels stronger than the previous two 993s I've had (18k and 43k miles).
Strikes me that many people with sub-100k mile examples become 'afraid' of driving them, for fear of crossing/approaching key thresholds that are perceived to be pricing inflection points.
That said, I've just commissioned a bare-metal respray and have the car booked in for a retrim! Yes, you can call me mad.
My current 176k mile car feels stronger than the previous two 993s I've had (18k and 43k miles).
Strikes me that many people with sub-100k mile examples become 'afraid' of driving them, for fear of crossing/approaching key thresholds that are perceived to be pricing inflection points.
That said, I've just commissioned a bare-metal respray and have the car booked in for a retrim! Yes, you can call me mad.
matthewb
New member
Interesting.
I bought my 993 as something to enjoy from all aspects - washing, polishing, maintaining and, of course, driving. Resale value was never a consideration - I just wanted a 993 to love. Your planned re-spray says to me that you're quite sane and that you feel the same way I do - I have spent a fair amount on bodywork too. Good luck.
Going over the 100,000 mark was a big event - but not a worrying one. I was proud of the mileage and always found it amusing when people initially had her pigeon-holed as a Garage Queen - and then looked at the odometer.
Would you be married to a beautiful woman and never 'take her out for a drive'?
Please, all of you, just drive your 993s and to hell with low-mileage.
I bought my 993 as something to enjoy from all aspects - washing, polishing, maintaining and, of course, driving. Resale value was never a consideration - I just wanted a 993 to love. Your planned re-spray says to me that you're quite sane and that you feel the same way I do - I have spent a fair amount on bodywork too. Good luck.
Going over the 100,000 mark was a big event - but not a worrying one. I was proud of the mileage and always found it amusing when people initially had her pigeon-holed as a Garage Queen - and then looked at the odometer.
Would you be married to a beautiful woman and never 'take her out for a drive'?
Please, all of you, just drive your 993s and to hell with low-mileage.
I'd echo all of these sentiments. Had mine for nearly 10 years (bought at just under 100k miles) and serviced properly every year.
Now has 156k, kept in lovely condition and is still an absolute joy to drive [8D][
][]. Drive them and enjoy - anything else is sacrilege.(Having said this, still ensure you give the car a thorough inspection in all the usual places as directed above - you'd be silly not to[
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szklarek
New member
Yep another vote for daily use and high mileage - my '96 993 C4 has 175K+ on the clock - it had 27K on the clock when I bought it all those years ago and I do about 10K/year.
I bought the car to use and not as an investment - all I really wanted was a great car to drive each day and, ideally no real depreciation.
I think, as a previous poster pointed out, if you buy a low mileage car you'll be tempted to leave it in the garage to protect the 'low mileage' price premium - if it's got a high mileage you'll drive it whenever you get the chance. I know what I'd rather do!
I bought the car to use and not as an investment - all I really wanted was a great car to drive each day and, ideally no real depreciation.
I think, as a previous poster pointed out, if you buy a low mileage car you'll be tempted to leave it in the garage to protect the 'low mileage' price premium - if it's got a high mileage you'll drive it whenever you get the chance. I know what I'd rather do!
38F3E1
PCGB Member
High mileage isn't particularly a problem with the 993 as they tend to soak up the mileage well like SCs do. What you will want to do is get an idea of what is likely to be due and this is where a good inspection will help. As with any car you have no idea how good or bad it has been treated in the past without a good inspection and going over the history. Everything wears out on a 993 eventually (as with any car) so it will depend. Anything from dampers, discs, clutch, front arms, rear arms, steering rack, door straps, window rust, exhaust parts, bumpers, various rubber mounts, etc all have a finate life and some may be due the second time around. Finally you will need to take a position of what may be due on the engine and gearbox at that mileage so talking to a good 993 independent and getting the engine properly checked out will be invaluable. As ever for a 993 inspection the number one choice would be a specialist who works on a lot of 993s.
Ian.
Ian.
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