Anyone got the Nokia 5800?

[peanut]

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/nokia-5800

has anyone got one of these and can give me an appraisal ? I've been holding off for an iPhone but this looks pretty good and I like the Nokia interface.
Hope its ok to post a non Porsche question? maybe I should have asked if it could be installed in my S2 []

 

[Fen]

The resident phone geek in our office (who soooo wants an iPhone but needs a forward facing camera for video calling) says the n97 is the Nokia to get, though it's not out yet.

 

[peanut]

you mean I've got to wait some more ?![]


At this rate I'm never going to get a new fone []

The way providers seem to be going at the moment is to provide a free fone, cheap tarrifs and really load up all the essential extras at £7.50 per month each

Just had a looksee at a review and its basically the same as the old 02 XDA Mini S .! I sold mine on ebay 2 years ago because as a phone it was useless. Hope Nokia have made a better job of the fone interface.

 

[John Sims]

This is a debate of significant merit as, currently, almost all 944 owners I know have N95s and we need to establish where we will go next. []

The N96 seemed little different to the N95 although, unbelievably, has less battery life - do you unplug it at all? Changing phones is such a pain I couldn't be bothered for the little or no extra features. I assume others have been the same which has prompted the N97.

I have been toying with the thought of the 5800 or the similar Blackberry Storm. I don't believe I can get an Iphone on Vodafone so haven't looked at that seriously.

On the N95 I use the phone camera a lot for site photos so the camera set up works well for me. The GPS feature is OK, and does get used now and again, but satellite acquisition is far too long to really give it any creditability - if I use it I use an external Bluetooth GPS.

I would like an Excel compatable spread sheet function that I don't have to pay extra for and a word processing package of some sort would be good. I would like a faster GPS so I could use it.- I guess what I am saying is I want a small GPS PDA with a Phone. While the N95 is, supposedly, a Smart Phone it isn't user friendly enough to use diary functions and the like so not an alternative to a PDA (or a paper diary which I have now gone back to). I would like the next phone to be more PDA like.

The other point is I have music on, what was, a relatively expensive large micro SD card so would prefer a phone I could plug that straight in.

Such choices and far from cut and dried - it was so much easier when all the was any good was the N95.

 

[John Sims]

Mmmmmm N97 Very sexy. I think I might want one of those.

 

[SimonP]

So how does the O2 XDA Orbit compare?
It has all the thigs on your wish list John, i have been very impressed with it.
I have never used an N95, so would be interested to hear how it stacks up...

 

[zcacogp]

I'm so backward on this sort of thing I will probably be deservedly laughed out of court for even having an opinion, but I use a cheap 'phone (Nokia 6300 - the sort of thing you give as a semi-disposable item to your kids) and have a handheld PC for everything else. Handheld PC is made by Fujitsu (N100 Loox), is about the size of a pack of cards, cost £90 18 months ago and runs a good MP3 player, Sat Nav and I also have SpreadCE on it (free version of Excel for pocket PC's). It would run some PIM software as well if I could find some that I got on with, but I have yet to find an electronic diary that is as good as a paper one.

Just my $0.02's worth.


Oli.

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: SimonP

So how does the O2 XDA Orbit compare?
It has all the thigs on your wish list John, i have been very impressed with it.
I have never used an N95, so would be interested to hear how it stacks up...

The O2 gear always looks good but I have never got around to getting an O2 account. The O2 PDA phones use Windows Pocket PC IIRC which is what I had on my last PDA.

I have had PDA's since the days of the Psion and always found them very useful - even more so as they synchronise with your Contacts and Diary on the PC. My last was a HP iPAQ which was great. The down side is I would have pockets full of gadgets with iPAQ, phone, digital camera, Sat Nav Reciever etc.

Now that phones have massive memories I don't use my PDA to find contacts so it may not get used for serval days. If it gets left for a week it dies and has to have a reset. I can rebuild it from my PC but have given up and just use the phone now. Same in respect of the compact digital camera - the phone camera is as good as my compact so why take two things with you?

What I do miss now I don't use the PDA is, on the odd occaisons I am on a train or have a half our to kill awy from home, I could write things on the PDA or do estimates with the spread sheet. You can put in a Office type software package on the N95 but at £25+ I wouldn't use it enough to warrant it - and (as I hate texting) the input would be a pain.

So in answer to Simons question - aside slighty dubious battery life - the N95 does absolutely everything I want except (on the rare occaisons) when I want a good notes facillity, spread sheet and convenient diary. It is because it is so good I haven't really considered a replacement.

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

..... I have yet to find an electronic diary that is as good as a paper one. ....

Oli.

Paper is easier to doodle things into and quicker to jump from date to date but you don't need to move Birthdays and standard meetings across every year with a good electronic diary. And a paper diary wont give you automatic reminders.

As above, you almost always have your phone with you but may not have your diary.

 

[Mark_Bennett]

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

...I have yet to find an electronic diary that is as good as a paper one.

Can I suggest you take a look at Pocket Informant? It basically makes the Windows Mobile PIM usable. It's customisable to how you want it, and just plain works.
Combined with another add-in, Pocketbreeze, I can do everything I need to right on the top screen without going in to the applications.

You can try both before buying - well worth it I found!

 

[Fen]

I can walk into any Vodafone store in NZ and pick up an unlocked 16GB iPhone which could be yours for around £425 + shipping, John. It doesn't have a spreadsheet or word processing app however, though I find the calendar and contacts really good synching over the air with Exchange. If you don't run Exchange you can use Apple's MobileMe service which works quite well these days and synchs in close to real time with your PC's mail, contacts and calendar.

The guy I mentioned above has an n95 currently, as does another guy who sits next to him and thinks if it doesn't say Nokia on the front it isn't a phone. Neither use the calendar on the n95 which tells me it isn't good enough to be worth the effort. To me that's like choosing not to use my left foot as it isn't worth the effort, so the calendar must be pretty poor.

I don't know anyone who uses Windows Mobile these days, though I know lots of people (myself included) who have done in the past. True it had Excel and Word, but as the phone was barely usable it was like not being able to rely on either of my feet. Maybe it's better now, but I'm in no rush to find out. In fact it was so bad I had to get a second phone to use as a phone, hence my being able to talk about Orange's 2 SIM one number policy in another thread (as at 3 years ago in any case).

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: Fen

I can walk into any Vodafone store in NZ and pick up an unlocked 16GB iPhone which could be yours for around £425 + shipping, John.

That's very generous of you Fen but I think I will pass on that thanks - particularly as it hasn't got a spread sheet. []

The N95 diary does suck for putting things in directly to the phone but, if you are just using it syncing dates from your PC it is great.

The main issue with any phone that doesn't have access to a proper keyboard is inputting anything other than numbers is tedious and slow. (well it is for old people like me).

 

[Fen]

I didn't think you would, but the offer is there.

This just prompted me to look for spreadsheet apps. A quick look has turned up two likely candidates, one at the equivalent of about £2 and the other about £3. The latter claims its output can be emailed and opened within Excel, files can be shared over WiFi and it supports templates. It's still not a perfect solution though as I don't imagine it can be used to open an Excel attachment received on the iPhone by email (as the in-built Excel viewer will doubtless open that). I think I might just grab it and see how it goes at that price though as it would probably be handy, even if just for keeping track of expenses.

 

[peanut]

heres a comprehensive review of the Nokia 5800
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Nokia_5800_Xpress_Music_Review.php

 

[John Sims]

If nobody had told me about the N97 I might well have gone for the 5800

Unfortunately now I have read the details on the N97, which is almost the same size as the N95 but a bit thinner, the 5800 looks bulky in comparison. Other than that the two phones will be so similar as makes no odds - oh and the N97 has a pull out QWERTY keyboard which is nice.

The 5800 will probably be more robust so I may still have a look at one.

 

[944Turbo]

HTC Touch HD is what I fancy but its only available on orange (been out of stock at carphone warehouse on O2 for weeks). Orange doesnt seem to have good coverage most places I go and on O2 apparently you can swap the unlimited texts for unlimited internet (well 1gig a month) and still have 500 texts.

I currently have a good deal on vodafone 750 mins, 100 texts for £35 and insurance at 3.50 free itemised billing, international call saver etc. they replaced my n95 with an n95 8gb when I broke the screen the 8gb is a much better phone faster and less crashing N96 has a slower processor and seems to be a step back.

been with vodafone for a long time though and fancy a change - was unimpressed my pay as you go three skype phone was cheaper than my contract vodafone on a recent trip to cyprus despite being on a vodafone network in cyprus.

Dont like iPhone - especially having to use itunes to connect.

didn't get on with an samsung omnia when I played with it.

might wait for N97

Tony

 

[944Turbo]

HTC touch HD review - downside looks like you have yo use stylus rather than finger - not a problem to me, keeps the screen cleaner and its more accurate - I struggle with the 'keypad' on Yudra's Ipod touch

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030108,49299703,00.htm

Tony

 

[Fen]

iTunes to connect what, to the PC? If you don't already use iTunes for an iPod & music then I'd say there is no need as you are far better off using an over-air method to access email, contacts etc.

 

[burrow01]

If you are looking for a phone for business use, have you looked at the Nokia E71

Works for me - syncs with PC contacts, calander etc (also does over the air sync with Exchange, but I've not used that yet) opens MS Office attachments for reading, has GPS, Wi-Fi and 3G, also syncs with a Mac via an iSync add in

Has a real keyboard, so you can actually type emails etc

Pete

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: John Sims

.... the 5800 looks bulky in comparison. .....

The 5800 will probably be more robust so I may still have a look at one.

Looking at the dimensions the 5800 is almost exactly the same size as the N95 with the player buttons extended - those are the ones at the top that none of us use.....ever. It is a little thinner than the N95 so that's nice.

I need to go and find details on the E71 now.