Anyone Seen This Car?

[TJW964]

Hi All

Considering a 944/968 for use as a Track/Ring car and saw this. I am struggling to find out about performance figures, etc. for 944's (What is the difference between a 944 Lux, S2 and Turbo? 0-60, bhp, torque, and what does FH mean?)

I have seen this and wonder what the catch is?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/293753.htm

Many thanks.
Trevor

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[sawood12]

Looks like an US spec car to me from the bumpers and side indicators. A very brief breakdown of the models is:-

Lux was the 2.5ltr 8v car with circa 160bhp. I'm not 100% up on their exact spec and performance figures, but i'm sure others will list more details.

S2 has a 3.0ltr 16v engine with 211bhp. Has uprated brakes and suspension over the lux (4-pot Brembo's all round). Has a 'wrap around' integral front bumper/nose as opposed to the Lux's two peice bumper and under-bumper valance.

Turbo's had had 2.5ltr 8v turbocharged engines. The early models ('85 - late '87) had 220bhp and around 6s 0-60, and the same brakes and suspension as the S2. The later models had 250bhp and 0-60 in around 5.5s. Later turbos also had LSD and uprated suspension and larger 4-pot Brembos up front pinched off the 928S4. Turbo's also had the same one-piece front bumper as the S2.

For a track-toy depends what you want to do. If you want something to track out of the box then you're probably better off with a Lux or S2. If you fancy a bit of modification to get more power then the turbo is your best option - but be prepared to spend some bucks.

968's are prodominantly an S2 with the obvious cosmetic mods. The only significant mechanical difference is a 6-speed box and the 3.0ltr engine got a cylinder head with Vario-cam - i.e. variable valve timing (not variable lift though). I think these were 240bhp off the production line. If your budget stretches to a 968 and you want out of the box track car this could also be a good choice, but for the same money you could get a decent S2 and spend the difference on uprated suspension, brakes, ECU chip and a few other track orientated bits and bobs and you'd end up with a better track car than a standard 968.

Ultimately depends on your budget. Either way for a track day car you can do far far worse than a 944. They are very balanced cars and very rewarding to drive. Also they are more than capable of being driven to the track in a good level of comfort, being driven round the track all day and being driven back from the track.

Hope this helps to set the scene.

 

[944turboS]

What happenned to the underside of the bonnet? Looks like it has had a good spraying with engine oil or something similar. Check the numbers all match up, your OPC should be able to tell you the original ones from factory.

 

[mik_ok]

It's a clean looking low-mileage LHD US-Spec 8v, for a heckuva lot of money ? [&:]

Not what I'd choose as a track car. A (very) brief search turned up THIS for similar money ~ more miles but we're all agreed very low mileage isn't necessarily a good thing. Around 90bhp more than the US spec car with plenty of scope for tuning, plus an LSD and four-pot brakes all round instead of single pot sliding callipers.

FH = fixed head (as opposed to a cabriolet).

 

[Riverside]

ORIGINAL: 944turboS

What happenned to the underside of the bonnet?

I think it's the glue residue where soundproofing has been removed.

If it genuinely is an unmolested car that simply has an interesting history & spec it might be worth it to a collector but I think I'd spend my money elsewhere.

 

[edh]

This one looks a little different []
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/167873.htm

I'm biased, but I'd go for turbo if you can stretch to one - mik's example looks pretty good value. (high mileage isn't necessarily a bad thing)

or for a bit more ££ there's this - a 924S with a 968 engine - a fully developed & focused track car
http://www.porsche968uk.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=5439 - you may need to register

A lot depends what you really want - are you looking for a road car that will survive track days? - do you want to develop a car over a few years? or are you looking to strip out & build a track car? A standard Lux or 924S will be pretty soft & slow on trackdays but still very entertaining.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

I have seen this and wonder what the catch is?

It doesn't add up at all? [8|]

Mid '85 cars on had updated oval dash, as in this one. It's a US car from the bodywork, but why no PAS? By the time you add on all the money for new tyres, plus any other items that have suffered in storage, you'll be into mint Turbo money.

Dodgy LHD Lux? £1500. Tops.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Not what I'd choose as a track car. A (very) brief search turned up THIS for similar money ~ more miles but we're all agreed very low mileage isn't necessarily a good thing. Around 90bhp more than the US spec car with plenty of scope for tuning, plus an LSD and four-pot brakes all round instead of single pot sliding callipers.

That does look very good value....is Christmas coming? [8|]

Looking for that elusive gift for your Register Secretary? It'd only be £3.50 each! [][]

 

[944s2]

Hmm "originally owned by Porsche GB" or thrashed to bits for the first few months of its life by everyone and their granny

Tempting though!

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: 944s2

Hmm "originally owned by Porsche GB" or thrashed to bits for the first few months of its life ....

True enough, but that was along time ago. It looks like a clean and unmolested car. Perhaps worth a punt? LSD's are like hens teeth and it could have M030.

It should have medium blacks so an easy conversion to big blacks.

 

[Peter Empson]

As others have said that original advert is being rather optimistic when it comes to the price! A car being sold on its low mileage and originality is nice, yet it appears to have had the US front bumper shaved down to Euro spec (hence why it looks a little odd). It is also lower power (150hp) due to the lower compression ratio (if I remember correctly). I'd say it was worth 3K if the paint was as nice as described, but from the pics I'm not convinced that is the case. The LSD and Fusch's are nice though...

I may be being thick, but I can't spot the washer bottle. Is this in a different place on LHD cars? Can't remember ever noticing this before...

Edited to add I've also never heard of a factory twin tip exhaust, but I suppose it could have been a US option? Looks a little like an Ansa exhaust to me. [8|]