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Anyone want to have a guess at a value for my Lux?

Sandspider

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Hi all

I'm vaguely toying with the idea of selling my 1986 944 Lux in the new year. (Feels like a betrayal even to write that!) However, my life circumstances are changing, and I'm toying with the idea of a Subaru Legacy Spec B estate, for more room in the back, child carrying etc. If I do sell, I'll be back to 944s, probably with an S2 in the future when I've got a garage...

Anyway, it's a 1986 2.5l Lux. It's black! I've owned it for 7 or 8 years, some 45,000 miles, and 2 belt changes. It's done 115,000 odd miles, very low for the year, and I looked at about 10 cars before buying this one. I also had it checked over by a specialist in Rockhampton before buying it, and it's a good one. (Only points I remember he noted were a loose door handle and a missing sun roof liner - still got his report somewhere, I'll fish it out). Full service history (last done in Aug 2014), by myself for the basics (oil, filter, plugs etc.) and by a couple of local garages for trickier bits - independent / specialist. Just put new Dunlop Bluresponse tyres on the 15" wheels that are on the car, and it also comes with a set of Cup 1 replica alloys - good tyres on the front, bit worn but still legal on the back. Good mechanical condition, always starts, Cat 1 immobiliser fitted. The sills are good, though the passenger side was patched (just a small patch near the rear wheel) this year. All thoroughly sealed underneath, and protected inside the sills. I don't use it for short journeys, as I have a push bike and have a second (and had a third) car for that. New ARB brackets / bushes in Aug this year. New brake and fuel lines over the past couple of years. Probably lots of good bits that I've missed.

Less good bits! The paintwork. It's not anywhere near concourse, it lives on my drive in all weathers, and it has a few scrapes and bumps (the odd car park wound). I bought it to drive and use, not to be a garage queen. A polish would improve it, but if you were after perfection it would probably need a respray.
The dashboard is cracking and the clock doesn't work.
One of the sunroof micro switches doesn't work, so the pins do not stop retracting - you just have to choose when to stop them - not rocket science!
If parked with the bonnet pointing up a slope in heavy rain, there is a small drip into the passenger side footwell. Drains are clear, but I think there might be a screw missing behind the fuse box or similar that lets water in when rain is heavy.
Handbrake works well on the right hand rear wheel; less so on the left hand rear wheel. Passes the MOT every time though.
Possibly a slight judder in the clutch though this may be paranoia. I think it's been that way ever since I bought the car. My mechanic says it doesn't feel like the rubber clutch centre breaking up, and basically that I am in fact paranoid.
The belts and rollers are due to be done fairly soon, on time not mileage - I will check exactly when. I will possibly do this in the new year, depending on how long I keep it for / when/if I find a good Spec B. It had a new water pump at the last belt change, and new rollers at the first belt change.

Any thoughts on a possible value? I can put some pictures up this weekend. It seems that 944 prices are rising, but perhaps that's more for S2s and turbos than for the humble Lux? Discuss! I still enjoy every drive in it, and might well end up keeping it! If only it had air con. And a bridge spoiler. And perhaps a few more horsepower...

Many thanks.
 
You don't say if the interior, especially the seats are in good nick, or how long the MoT is. It would certainly be a good selling point to get a fresh MoT done if you decide to part with it. My best guesstimate would be around £2K if it looks good, the interior is tidy and it drives nicely. Hold the Cups back as a bargaining tool or sell them later.
 
Good point. MOT is until Aug 2015, and I'm sure I could get a fresh one.

Front seats are good - little wear, apart from the driver's bolster where I get in and out of the car. Back seats need a clean, but have hardly been used. Interior generally good.

Only 2k? I was vaguely hoping for a bit more, especially if I get the belts done and a new MOT.
 
I'd basically agree on the value - maybe up to £2500 with the wheels, MOT and belts. A few months ago I would have said £2K.
 
Cheers Mike.

Perhaps I'll wait a few months longer then! Its not really a car to sell in winter anyway, I suppose...
 
Hi Giles,

Hard to be sure about the value, really, without pictures at least.

I'd suggest that you would worry people with the clutch: if it's original then 115K miles and 28 years would mean it's got to be failing at some point sooner rather than later.

The belts, if they are due we'd advise buyers to budget for the worst-case. Belts, seals, water pump etc. will be the thick end of a grand at a specialist, so if you can sell the car with it done that's going to be a big plus.

Slightly "honest" bodywork isn't much of an issue for a Lux, as there's more of a market for cheaper, useable cars than for mint concours examples. As always, the important thing is good, close-up pictures of the underneath, and inside the sills. If it's had work done, then pictures are always important to show what's been done, and that it isn't covering up worse rot underneath.

On the face of it I'd have thought something beginning with a 2 would be reasonable. Low 2s without the belts, and higher 2s if they are done and the shell's good. To get over £3K I think the clutch might be an issue, and you'd really be looking for almost no rust in the sills, rear suspension area or the wings.
 
I'd say around £2500 maybe more if the body is good.

I sold my 132k '88 944 S for £2500 in October, it was a tidy car with good paperwork & maintenance, but the sills needed doing for MOT and was sold with that in mind.
 
Thanks chaps. That sounds a bit more encouraging. Good point Paul - the clutch was done at 65k miles odd, it's not the original.

I don't have photos of the sill work, didn't occur to me. But i can get photos of the underside and inside the sills. There's very little rust anywhere as far as I know.

Ooh, i forgot, there is a slight weep from the radiator, but it's so slow (a pint every 6 months or so) I haven't replaced it or had it re-cored.

If it was to cost me say 600 quid to do the belts and rollers, do we think it would add more than that to the price? I'd hope yes, but...

Thanks for the input, especially your long post Paul!
 

ORIGINAL: Sandspider

If it was to cost me say 600 quid to do the belts and rollers, do we think it would add more than that to the price? I'd hope yes, but...

Unfortunately Giles, I very much doubt it. Having the belts and rollers done might make the car more saleable but probably not a great deal more valuable. Sell it as it is would be my advice.
 
Having the belts and rollers done might make the car more saleable but probably not a great deal more valuable. Sell it as it is would be my advice.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there.

Buying a car for, say, £2K, when there is an urgent job needing immediate attention that makes the car un-driveable, and might end up costing a grand or more, might well be a deal-breaker.

If a 944 for sale is due a belt service, and you don't DIY (remember not all buyers DIY) you have to assume the seller knows it's going to be expensive. You have to budget worst-case, when in fact it might not need anything but the belt.

A bit like an MOT IMO. Would you buy a car advertised as "needs an MOT, but should sail through", or buy a car with a new MOT? [8|]

If something is due to be done, buyers will be very wary if you sell a car without doing it!


 
ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

Having the belts and rollers done might make the car more saleable but probably not a great deal more valuable. Sell it as it is would be my advice.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there.

Buying a car for, say, £2K, when there is an urgent job needing immediate attention that makes the car un-driveable, and might end up costing a grand or more, might well be a deal-breaker.

If a 944 for sale is due a belt service, and you don't DIY (remember not all buyers DIY) you have to assume the seller knows it's going to be expensive. You have to budget worst-case, when in fact it might not need anything but the belt.

A bit like an MOT IMO. Would you buy a car advertised as "needs an MOT, but should sail through", or buy a car with a new MOT? [8|]

If something is due to be done, buyers will be very wary if you sell a car without doing it!

I think what you are saying Paul is that the car would be more saleable with the belts done? Which is what I said! So we are in agreement! [:D]
I was trying to address Giles question as to whether he would get his £600 back in the sale price (would it be more valuable with the belts done?) and my feeling is that they answer to that would be no.
 
I was trying to address Giles question as to whether he would get his £600 back in the sale price (would it be more valuable with the belts done?) and my feeling is that they answer to that would be no.

I'd say yes.

Given two identical Luxes, one overdue for a belt service (possibly needing other work like water pump, seals etc.) and one with a belt service last week ?

Assuming there were the receipts to prove the work I'd say that was worth £600 for four year's peace of mind over an unknown bill the minute you buy the car.
 
Thanks again chaps.

It does make sense for me to do the belts. Even if I don't get the cost back, I'll know the car is in good shape when it leaves me. I might keep it for a while after doing the belts... Then I'll just end up keeping it!

Hmm.
 

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