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jasonp

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hiya,,,,
i be moving our merc SL on very shortly ,,,,
this was the first car since selling our s2 and although the sl has been faultless i just dont like her size and often feel i am being driven rather then actually driving,,,,,
For her replacement we will be looking for a gen1 caymen s ,,dont mind high miles and dont want a garage queen,,,,,,
usual bits like full history,,recent clutch,,etc and bose would be nice,,,,
anything we need to walk away from if it becomes apparent?,,,,
any opinions or advice appreciated,,,,,
thanks jasonp

 
Since nobody else has posted anything, I'd say go for it, but just make sure you get a decent one. As has been mentioned, that engine in the Cayman and 997 has been known to suffer bore scoring in a smaller percentage of cars. It can be expensive to fix, so you want to get a decent one.

Seems to be slightly (!) over-hyped on internet forums; speak to a specialist for advice and their opinion on frequency....no issues with IMS or RMS though.

 
not over hyped it's seems to be quite a big %

My cousins Boxster cost £5k to fix !

And as most people seem to lug the engine I think now the cars 10 years old they are too risky a buy.

 
As Craig says and in my opinion overhyped, I've not met anyone who has suffered bore scoring, that isn't to say it doesn't happen but on a couple of forums I attend they ran a poll and they reckoned that it was at most 5% of course it may as well be 100% if your's happens to be one which suffers that fate!

I have seen a 996 engine being sleeved with steel liners but the causes are said to be hot spots in the cooling chambers of the block and generally they are in the back end of the engine relative to the cooling flow, just where the coolant has reached an elevated temperature some such as Hartech recommend the fitting of a low temperature thermostat to reduce the possible problem, the other cause is that the oil jets which spray oil into the lower bores don't open until the oil pressure reaches and exceeds 1.8bar so it's best to keep the rev's up you'll know from your S2 that pressure rises as the rev rates increase just because you have a gauge. In the Cayman there is no oil pressure gauge, but take it that pressure gets above 2bar when hot at something approaching 2,000rpm so then the bores are being lubricated, I sold a Cayman S Gen1 last year with 88,000miles on it and no problems very low oil usage etc, Mr D is right in saying that many people labour the engines, just because they will pull from 1,000rpm it doesn't mean that it's ok to do so, remember the low oil pressure!

If you buy privately, see how the seller drives it, if from a dealer then ask for a borescope check of the cylinders an inspection or a warranty can be purchased but how cost effective they are depend if the inspection finds anything and the if the warranty actually covers problems without your own outlay, I've known some where the owner had to pay for a strip of the defective assembly before the company would say if they would cover the rebuild...

 
I have known people to track hard the gen 1 cars and they have been fine for 50k miles, I think it's girls driving which bores them lol ie my cousins Boxster is a prime example.

my other half kills her cars, I won't let her dive mine, it's painfull to see wot at 2k revs up a hill in 3rd !! I have to shout out and say "2nd gear please" and get an earful !!!

1 female owner, ffs no thanks, as far as the gen 1 ones better to buy a thrashed one it seems.

I think even Porsche came out and said the engines are for reving.

 
Oddly enough, I spoke to a chap at the recent Register meeting who'd purchased a low mileage Gen1 S. He'd had to have a Hartech rebuild due to bore scoring and the crankshaft was also knackered - cost him in excess of £10k, excluding the cost of the reconditioned crankshaft (~£1.5k).

Maybe D's right - buy a well-used hard-driven example.

Jeff

 
Definitely best to keep the revs up, 2,000 revs minimum and change down before loading the engine to get the engine speed close to the torque band which begins around the 4,000 line

 
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