bodywork

[dw49]

Have taken my 993 to 3 OPC's in the Midlands and had quotes to deal with rust around the windscreen from their respective bodywork shops and wondered if anyone had experiences/advice on which to go with.

The 3 are:-

Selbys of Nottingham
Shorade of Cannock
Renolds of Russock, Worcester

Thanks

 

[John Maddox]

Mine might have to be done soon.

What sort of price were they quoting ?

 

[dw49]

They are all around the £1,200 plus VAT

 

[John Maddox]

Thanks David - could be worse I suppose. I'll save up.

 

[petercook]

Is this a screen out price?

I've had work done at Reynolds of Rushock on a number of Porsches over the years - John Reynolds has been in the business a long time (specialising in Porsches) and the work, as expected from an approved Centre, is very good. The approved body centres are expensive but of course offer lifetime gaurantee with a (free) annual check.

PJC

 

[dw49]

Yes,

it is a windscreen out price

 

[clyde]

Only just checked the forum and came across this posting.
According to Porsche GB this is a known problem with 993's. Although my 993 had been constantly serviced by OPCs from new it never had the body check section stamped since I brought it into the UK. However, PGB agreed after a short debate that as it was a known problem area they would authorise repairs as a goodwill gesture. My car had corrosion around both the front and back screens, not bad but if left would have probably turned my coupe into a speedster. The repairs were authorised just as the 10 years expired.
From what I have found out the problem is apparantly linked to the "squeeky windscreen" affecting some cars, although I should say that I never experienced this until after the repairs! Hard to believe but the flexing of the body shell against the rubber aledgedly causes the paint to wear resulting in rust. The Teflon tape quoted as curing the squeek is actually there to stop the rubber wearing the paint away.
If you want any further info drop me an e-mail.
Bit late I know but better late than never?

 

[911addict]

I've had the same problem on my 964 turbo, front and rear.
Shopping around for good specialists though can bring the repair bill right down. I recently had the rear seal replaced, fitted and corrosion done (including cut & weld!) for around £700. The front will be less still and is booked in for later this month. I'm sure OPC's are the best, but good specialists can often do just as well.

 

[Guest]

I am new to 993 and I have a couple of small spots of rust around the proverbial windscreen and being a 1994 model, beyond the 10 warrenty.

So, should I get even the small spots dealt with now (on the grounds it stops them getting bigger), or should I wait and see (on the grounds it could be many years before it gets worse).

Also am I better off in my local specialist (Camtune in Godalming), Someone like Parr in Crawley or my local OPC? Or is it a pure cost issue between them.

 

[Yoda]

911addict - where did you go for the work and were you happy with their it (guessing so if you are going back).

Regards

 

[Graham-S]

Where abouts round the windscreen do they have problems? I was cleaning mine today and didn't notice anything. Just wanted to make sure I'm looking in the right places. My 10 year warranty runs out this Oct and it has been OPC stamped from new, so if I have missed something & I need to get onto it soon!

 

[Robert Greaves]

Had a quote direct from Steve Shore at Shorade (Cannock) early part of this year for a windscreen out job as I have a very minor paint bubble bout 3mm) on the raised wiper part of the front scuttle - price was £450 plus new seals (bout £70) plus VAT - this seems way different to your quote - but at the time decided to leave it as I had the black door window surrounds redone as they needed attention sooner - did you get the quote direct from Shorade and how bad is the corrosion?

 

[911addict]

Yoda,
I used 911 bodyshop in Wembley for the rear. Work is first class, and would recommend them.
I am trying Daytona Coachworks in Luton for my next job though purely because they are a little cheaper and do a few more things (eg calliper resprays). Haven't used them before but they come recommended.

gsimons,
You may be lucky but often the rust starts as a small raise (bubble) and is typically near joins. Common spots are anywhere around the windows (although usually at bottom edges), door shuts, and front scuttles (wiper area), bumper joins and headlamps. Another tell-tale sign (if you have a dark colour) is white spots which don't clean off/ keep coming back.

 

[RichardLW]

I have just sold a 13 year old 964 with not a patch of rust anywhere - not even a hint - and I am buying a 993 which now seems likely to disintegrate around me. This is not encouraging.

 

[dw49]

Robert,

I have bubbles just below the windscreen seal on the passenger side for about 12 inches moving around the pillar. It is very small except in one spot about half inch square. There is a similar square between the wipers and I have a similar square above the window seal on the drivers side.

It only became evident about 6 months ago when I had a windscreen replacement and the fitter advised the seal was lower than it should be and this hid it. I hadn't thought it was much until I came to give it a polish a couple of months ago and looked a bit harder. A factor I think in mine having this problem is that it lived in Aberdeen for 6 years with corrosive sea air etc.

All the quotes are for taking bonnet off, sliding roof, windscreen etc and spraying right over the roof to avoid a matching problem.

 

[Guest]

It seems to be more of a common problem on the passenger side. If the bubbled / rust is not bad it can easily be done very cheap. I think one of the problems is the windscreen rubber seems a little short on the corners.
A friend has just done mine with a spray can (over 30yrs in the trade) and done a fantastic job, I had a 6" long area with only a tiny amount of rust, I could get to it all easily by removing the w/rubber. It doesnt need the w/screen removing unless the rust has kicked in which you can only tell by rubbing it down.
Mine cost £26 new porsche w/seal, £8 approx paint mixed, £8 for laquer and another £10 for sandpaper and undercoat.
A good man in a van could do it easily but thr problem is if the paint does not match it looks awful, but lucky mine was spot on.

The way I looked at it was the job wasnt costing the earth and would protect it for now and I would get it sprayed later if needed (window out), but its done a great job and is near 100 spot on. Unfortunatley hes just a friend and no longer does spray work so I cant recomend anyone. But it should be £200 max if you can get by with keeping the window in.

I know a spray can sounds dodgy but I have seen bonets done with them before to the highest standard (its just what your used to working with). I know theres a chap who is supposed to be spot on in nottingham who does all Grey Pauls Ferraris, from what I have heard hes quite cheap as well (but I have been waitng for his number for a while) someone else might know of him.
Im in Leicester so you can see the job if your every passing.

 

[dw49]

Thanks David. I am a bit reluctant to go down that route because I want to give it the best chance of not returning. I was going to get a quote from Zentrum in Nottingham as well. They were recommended on the general listing but I am leaning at the moment to Renolds of Russock or Selbys Nottingham. I have persuaded the OPC at Nottingham to approach Porsche to try to get a goodwill payment.

 

[LK_991GTS]

There doesn't seem to be any evidence of rust around the front and rear screens on my 993, however, I can see how it would likely form.

Every time my car gets wet, water collects at the bottom corners of the front and rear screens under the screen seals.

So, after any drenching, I peel back the seal at each corner and dry the area. Tedious, but I'm sure if the water is not dried out manually as soon as possible, it will not dry on its own given that it's hidden under the seal doing its worst to the metal it's in contact with.

 

[Guest]

Rust round front and rear screens does appear to be a 993 problem. How does it occur if the area has been painted. Paint should equal no contact between water and metal.

DW49: Goodwill payment from Porsche - pigs might fly... [:-]

 

[38F3E1]

I believe the paint gets rubbed away by the window seal as it gets hard (grit underneath as well perhaps?) due to the slight body flex when cornering.

Ian.