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Boxster better than new Cayman!

rob.kellock

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Not my opinion but none less than well regarded expert journalist George Kacher in this month's Car magazine which landed on my doorstep this morning.

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Rob I think you could have posted this in the Kmen section as any Boxster owner would already know these facts [:)]

Why does the journo think there is going to be a Kman "R" and no Boxster equivalent![&o]

To me the difference between a Kman & Box is summed up as "Same ar$e other cheek" [;)]
 
I have to drop in something for the coupe fans[;)] Chris Harris describes some differences.

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=105&i=27122
 
ORIGINAL: spyderman

Perhaps we'll get a Boxster R instead of a Cayman R this time...?

More likely to get a Boxster & Cayman "R" this time around and no Spyder
 

ORIGINAL: spyderman

Perhaps we'll get a Boxster R instead of a Cayman R this time...?
Not sure, but i've put my money on there being no Boxster Spyder[;)]

ORIGINAL: flat6 1/11/12

The next Spyder will be on the 911 platform...

The plans for the models are as follows.

The 991 GT3 will be the last 911 race car. The 2nd generation of the next Cayman i.e. the 982, will be developed to blend in some of the superior traction of the 911 with the mid-engined handling of the 982 platform to make the Cayman the prime option for racing.

The 911 will continue to become more of a GT car, continuing to dominate the spaces in which Aston Martin's, Maserati's, Mercedes AMG's, Corvettes, Jaguars and Audi R8 operate. The new 960 mid-engined supercar that will sit above the 911 and below the 918, will take on the mid-engined supercars from Ferrari and Lamborghini.

The 991 based Spyder will be introduced when the 991 GT3 retires to make way for the 982 race car. This is some years away. The 911 Spyder will use weight saving techiques from the last of the 991 generation GT3. Being a Spyder, it will be strictly a 2 seater and it will have a manual, detachable roof like the 987 Spyder. It will be a limited production model, expected to appeal to those who want a near GT3 type driving experience combined with open air fun.

There will not be another Boxster Spyder as the Boxster will be focussed on a 'every day roadster' theme rather than exploring any niches, as that will be more successfully achieved through the 911.


Now, there's no factual evidence behind this story. Motoring journalists are always stringing together a number of their best guesses into what they believe is a coherent hypothesis. So I had a go. Question is, do you think this is a coherent and plausible hypothesis?


ORIGINAL: flat6 24/10/22

ORIGINAL: jdpef356

So the big question is. Will they make a Spyder version of the New Boxster?[8|]

I reckon Porsche don't even know yet for sure. If I had to guess it would be that they won't. The roof, as good as it is, obviously put off too many of the Boxster clientele, who obviously aren't the hardcore driving purists that Porsche thought they were[:D]. Porsche stuck their neck out producing a car that would usually be reserved for £140,000+ 911 limited edition exotica, and they got snubbed by their customers.

If they don't do another manual roof, and the fact that the 981 makes more extensive use of aluminium, they won't be able to save much weight (purely a speculation).

Maybe there'll be a Boxster 'R', with a few modifications to make it stand out and the best options, such as the coming 981 sport chassis. Like the 997 Carrera GTS, maybe they'll give it centre locks which "reduce rotating masses" (but are a pain to remove from what i've been told).

My guess is that they'll make more effort with the Cayman R next time around. It doesn't have the roof issue and they really didn't put much effort into differentiating it this time around. They didn't even give it a uniquely revised front end like the Spyder (spoiler tips, lights). No disrespect to Cayman R owners. It's a brilliant car but they could've given it more of a motorsport flavour, being a coupe, even if it doesn't have a motorsport association like the GT3 RS. But neither does the GT2 any more.
 

ORIGINAL: daro911

More likely to get a Boxster & Cayman "R" this time around and no Spyder

I'm in this camp too. No sign of one yet though, but after today's little jaunt out in the Spyder, it would have to be good to tempt me.
 
Interesting - how good is your source? My OPC said nothing about that possibility whilst trying to persuade me to get a 981.
 
ORIGINAL: gouldian

No Spyder but a GTS Boxster on the way!

I heard that there will be a Cyaman GTS & Boxster GTS but don't Porsche normally bang out a GTS just before a facelift and complete model change [&o]
 

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: gouldian

No Spyder but a GTS Boxster on the way!

I heard that there will be a Cyaman GTS & Boxster GTS but don't Porsche normally bang out a GTS just before a facelift and complete model change [&o]
True for the 997 the GTS came late in the cycle. But whilst I don't watch the Panamera and Cayman models so can't comment accurately, haven't their GTS models been introduced some time before the next generations are on the horizon? So maybe it's a step change for the GTS models? They do seem to slot in well as a premium model that isn't turbocharged or track focussed.

My money is on a Boxster GTS and a Cayman. That way each one's premium model has a different flavour (whatever that might be) as Porsche tries to differentiate Cayman from Boxster.

Looking into the history of the'R' moniker, I think it's less likely to be used on a roadster.
 
They'll need something to add to the ranges in 2/3 years time to give those that bought an early model something
to upgrade to when their PCP deal ends.

I don't expect anything soon for either Boxster or Cayman but what do I know?!
 

Back to Rob's original point..!

I'm not going get into the pointless Boxster vs Cayman argument because each has it's proponents and opponents and everyone's entitled to their own opinion (including Kacher, for whom I have a lot of respect).

However, I can't understand his comment about the softtop: "it solves the luggage problem in a more elegant fashion". Surely the Cayman has more useable luggage space (1 front plus 2 rear if you include the space on the engine cover) and if roof bars are fitted, an external luggage box can be attached and bikes/skis can be carried too.

On the other points being discussed, I'm sure that Porsche will have something waiting in the wings to boost Boxster/Cayman sales within the next 2 years. As 6 says, a GTS version would satisfy both markets, with a Cayman R also a possibilty at some point. Whatever, you can guarantee that it will be marketing-led....more's the pity.!

Incidentally, in case you missed it I posted a link earlier in which the team leader of engine development at Porsche said that a turbo 4-cylinder is not for the Cayman, which will always be a 6-cylinder. He also said that a turbocharged engine would represent challenges for the more compact Cayman and Boxster. No mention that an entry-level 4-cylinder Boxster was a possibilty though. Further good news is that Porsche has no plans to discontinue manual gearboxes despite the popularity of the PDK transmission among its customers.

Here's the article:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/214790/porsche-911-cayman-remain-6-cylinder-manual-gearboxes-continue/

Jeff
 

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