Brake discs - pads - rear shocks

[Guest]

Ok in a month or two I will be putting new discs all round (+pads of course) and sort out the rear shocks.

A) The car has the Carrera S brakes i.e Standard Blacks. So what options do I have basis keeping the blacks - I assume its just the normal replacement discs but what about pads guys ??? Road useage mainly and maybe a track or 2 this year.

B) Ok I had the front shocks replaced with the same standard shocks 10,000miles ago so I was thinking of doing the same with the rears. I really don't want to spend to much this time round so what do you all think ?

 

[Guest]

I thought you were going to say that Maurice....[]

Being lazy and not wanting to search can you remind me which Bilsteins I will need... is it the HD's ??

I am sure JZ said it was best to change the springs if fitting Bilsteins.... but do I really need to ???

I did one axle only last year as the front shocks had expolded and needed replacing on the spot and I was having clutch / service tyres etc.... I was also not as up on the 993's at the time.[&:]

Thanks so far.

 

[Guest]

Thanks Maurice - PP is in my bag to read .... been too busy so far.

 

[Sundeep]

although..

keep the Discs with OEM replacements

but for Pads, the latest EBC Ceramic Red Stuff is the one to go for..[]

http://www.ebcbrakes.com/Automotive.html

 

[Guest]

Being a typical member of the Porsche driving Joe Public, I can say that my standard brakes have been more than good enough on the road and at the occassional track day (like Monday when I was tearing around Brands Hatch for instance!!).

Unlike aftermarket pads, they dont squeel, there's no excess brake dust and their performance is good enough (for me).

 

[Sundeep]

ORIGINAL: MoC2S

Sundeep, I hope your recommendation comes with appropriate long term experience of road and occasional track use, with a decent user base to get a consensus ......

Departing from standard pads, especially ones which call attention to themselves, is something to be considered very carefully for many reasons, especially insurance .....

eh ?

so then the likes of all those indepedent tuners who also recommend aftermarket pads and even those brave enough to quote aftermarket discs.. well ?

a question was raised I gave an another answer based on a long term experience of road and occasional track use, with a significant user base providing a consensus ......

many 993 owners I know have upgraded pads but kept OEM discs.. nothing wrong with OEM pads but there are better ones out there...

 

[vic cohen]

Because he[Maurice] has the experience and IS CORRECT. as long as they re kept in good condition the Standard brakes will stand up to a lot more than most people think. Why litterrally waste huge amounts on things for your car you will never use to the full Porsche spend along time testing their kit,much more than most of us could and they usually get to the right decision.
I ve been tracking a Clubsport on standard pads[ albeit oversize rear calipers] for a year on standard pads ....................admittedly may use pagid yellows when they r e changed but the car is used exclusively to and from tracks and maybe 10 lap sessions .............i repeat has still been ok on OEM factory kit
Anything one changes is of course personal taste but where Porsche brakes are concerned on 993 rarely genuinely improves performance .

 

[Sundeep]

steady on chap !

I didn't say there was anything wrong with OEM....[] so I am also correct also from my experience..

there are always alternatives and options.....

 

[Sundeep]

so how's about set of the US made carbon-kevlar based "Porterfield" Pads ? as another alternative ....(?) ([&:])

http://www.ebsracing.com/pads.html


as for such quotes on the scooby sites.. always taken with that pinch of salt....

braking distances are very much a matter of many factors, especially tyres which are a major factor i.e. those nice ceramic brakes porsche make, stopping distance are still limited by the ability of ones tyres no matter how good your brakes are....

 

[38F3E1]

When I first bought a 993 the chap selling it gave me the following advice. He said once I had got used to the car I should find a empty straight bit of road, get up to a reasonable speed (ie somewhat over 60mph) and then hit the brake pedal hard enough to get the ABS working. This actually takes quite a nerve which was his point because most of the time we don't get to a point where the ABS kicks in. Legal Disclaimer - I am definately not advising you all to go and do this.

Once I had done this I was convinced that the standard brakes are up to the job which was his other point. What limits the braking performance on a 993 is the tyre contact with the road not the standard pads.

Higher performance pads and bigger calipers are really only required when doing serious track work. I have Porterfields on the 911E but that is a track car where there a long periods of repeated late braking.

Ian.

 

[Guest]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that this 993 forum is to be turning into a nanny state; you can hold a view but it must be THE view. Can't we lighten up a bit.

Oh, and there is no need for repetition and shouting.

All MVHO and, of course YMMV []

Regards

Bob

 

[Guest]

Mmm, mis-statements of fact. I don't think many of us here are experts but we all bring our own experience and, in many cases where there is debate, it is difficult to catagorically state that one person is right and another wrong.

To take an example between brakes and stereos - not exactly alphabetically between but near enough: lighting. In particular HID lighting. I understand that most after market kits are not legal for road use in the UK/EU as they don't meet the self adjustment and cleaning regulations. I believe your take on this is that it is OK to fit after market HID despite the fact this could make an insurance claim voidable. Have I represented your view correctly?

Of course it is good to see more participation and activity on the forum. I think you in particular have made a fantastic contribution in terms of giving time, effort and sharing knowledge; I and I'm sure many others appreciate that. However, I don't see you as having any responsibility towards me on any topic.

ORIGINAL: MoC2S

We should perhaps have a poll ... []

Aww, I knew it; you want to have an election. You'll be changing the constitution so you stay in power forever...

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Regards

Bob

 

[Sundeep]

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tumbleweed moment....

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[Melv]

"....the standard pads are very good for combination road / occasional track use ....."

I second that and always stand by that when being asked by any Porsche owners.........depending on proposed use.

But only 'Very good'!!! ????? Maurice, I think you underplay the braking issue, they are f00king excellent!!

Whilst the Cup Car is on Pagid orange, and not used on the road anymore, some of you may remember a slate grey 964C4 I tracked a few years ago (for six years, in fact...) that had a standard brake set up that never, ever, gave any problems -this was always with due consideration for a slowing down lap each track day session without touching the brakes -a regime I still use on the Cup Car, and it pays off. The only time I didn't do this (on the C4), and probably stood on the brakes in the pits, I warped all four discs......

But just to add to Maurice's thread, there are a lot of people out there, I am afraid, who will take what is written on forums as gospel.......so take care...

There seems to be a change-for-change-sakes attitude that prevails amongst some Porsche owners -IMNVHO, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!!

BTW, what is the time?? []

 

[968er]

I agree that the Porsche brakes and pads are good, however to blindly accept that everything that Porsche do is the best is to put your head in the sand. I immediatley think of 993 standard suspension, 996/Boxster engines, and headlights.

There is a massive aftermarket that provides improvements on what Porsche originally supplied, what must be remembered is that Porache are a large car manufacturer where costs are dictated by beancounters and the best is not always fitted as the majority of modern day Porsche buyers just want a car to get them from A to B.

Back to the original point about pads, I think there are other pads out there that are better, which to me means the same stopping power but less brake dust. This is without going to the likes of ceramic etc which on a road car can be downright dangerous if you do not get heat into them quickly enough. Also Porsche do not manufacture the pads or the brakes as they are made by a 3rd party eg Brembo.

With regard to the forum, I can understand Maurice's point of view but then again this is a public forum and people do have different experiences and approach to owning a 993 and this can only be good for the longevity of the forum. If someone makes a statemnt that may be a bit wide of the mark it can be discussed openly without the big brother approach. If this type of atmosphere does not exist and there is a feeling of stifling of opinions then the forum will wither and die as there are plenty of other 911 forums on both sides of the atlantic, Rennlist being a very good example of a very well used and informative place for 993 owners.

 

[Guest]

William, you've reminded me of reading something attibuted to Buzz Aldrin when strapped in ready for launch on their lunar mission. Apparently, the thought went through his mind that they were sitting on top of millions of dollars of products with the cheapest quotes. [:-] [:-]

I can't believe that materials and manufacturing processes haven't moved on since the 993 was designed. It seems reasonable that some owners might want to try newer products to see how they perform.

Regards

Bob