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BRAKE DISCS

911sse

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I have a set of new Zimmerman discs fitted to my 87 Supersport (therefore 930 Turbo brakes). I also fitted OE pads at the same time (half the cost than from an OPC!). Purchased all the items from Specialist Cars of Malton (one of the best places to deal with!) and I am mighty impressed with the feel!

The disks are well made considering there cost, according to a local technician friend. The only criticism, being the finish to the handbrake pad area, which is not as well protected than an OE part.

A track day in March should be a good test!
 
Stick to OE Ed.

I tracked my C4 for six years, doing 1500 miles on track in one year alone.

I never, ever had fade problems with OE discs and pads.

Melv
 
Hey Edward...gotta be honest I more or less gave up on this forum, but your brakes thread woke me up.

I've booked my baby in for service at end of Feb and it also needs new discs and I was toying with the idea of those nice ones with the holes in them. I have no idea wether they are any better...just thought they looked cool[:D]
But seriously, has anybody changed the discs themselves ?.....is this a fairly easy DIY job, because if it is it could save me a few bob.

thx
 
Hey Edward...if your serious and this is reasonably easy then I would be interested. Are you still offerring to do Zymolling as well ?.

Email me privately and let me know how much ?

Mark
 
Hello all,

I had the car serviced last week and was advised that in the near future it would need new discs and pads all round. Mine is an early C2 with small rear calipers (and fairly poor brakes which could be due to the worn pads and tired discs)
Has anyone got any advice regarding whether or not drilled discs are worth fitting to a car that does not do track days, or get used much.
I've been told drilled discs can be noiser, and do 964's suffer the same problem as 993's with regard to cracks between holes?
Any advice / opions would be welcome

Thanks
Paul
 
Keep to OE.

I tracked a 964 C4 for five years and never uprated the brakes or pads -never had any probs and the brakes are (SHOULD!!) be fantastic........
 
Hi, i've just ordered new discs and pads all round for my 1990 C2. I went for drilled discs purely for the look and the fact that they were not alot extra. Total costs with wear sensors was 400 quid from Bert at Berlyn Services.
 
I've changed the discs and pads all round and went for the original OE set up. The brakes are absolutely fantastic and definitely up to the job.

My Subaru Impreza has got cross drilled discs and they are quite noisy by comparison.

Regards

Steve
 
I changed to cross-drilled in mid 2004 & they certainly look more purposeful.
I was advised to stick with standard pads, as others are too harsh.
Saying that, I finished the front pads in just over 1 year (about 15000miles).
Very happy with the performance, but as mentioned by others, they're never bad.
Given the choice again, I'll do the same.

Rgds,
Jon


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What do you think the life of one set of disc should be?

I had fronts done 2 years ago with new calipers, done 30,000 miles and now need new discs and pads. This time the rears also need to be done. SOund about right?
 
I've recently fitted Zimmerman drilled disks to my car with Red Stuff Ceramic pads. The drilled disks definately look good and are noisier but I quite like the noise - it's a reassuring type of graunching noise which only really happens around 40 mph under pretty heavy breaking. Under normal driving conditions I don't find them any noisier than standard. The red stuff pads seem to be OK as well but need a bit of warming up to get the best out of them.
 
My view is that you will only encounter the limits of the 964 standard setup on a track (no personal experience) or on an Autobahn (personal experience).

I noticed occasional brake fade on the Autobahn in my 964 (and on all of the three previous Porsches that I have owned). But this is only after repeated heavy brake application at speeds considerably over 100mph unique to a congested Autobahn. Because brake fade arises from build-up of heat in the discs, and heat is a function of energy dissipated, high-speed braking puts much more stress on the braking system than low-speed braking, even if the same speed drop and same time is involved. That is, 130mph to 120mph in 10 seconds is much harder on the brakes than 90mph to 70mph in 10 seconds since 60% more energy needs to be shed in the same time. This is because energy increases with the square of the car's speed. I cannot imagine that you would get anywhere near the start of brake fade on UK motorways; if you did, the expiry of your driving licence would probably take place before the expiry of your brakes!

So, in the UK and most other places, for road use, I do not think that there is any performance benefit for road use. That is my personal view. Maybe some think they just look better, but not to my eye.

One little tweak that I made was to change the flexible hoses for steel braded ones. I had to do mine for the MOT, and the steel braded ones were about the same price as the ordinary ones. This made the brake pedal feel excellent. This was not just because my car had soggy brakes - I have driven a load of 964s when buying mine, and I know what the brakes are like - and the steel braded hoses do seem to make a difference.

A
 
Hi
I need to change the pads on my wifes 964
How easy is it to change the front pads do i need to take the calipers off etc any advice would be much appreciated
 
Graham

I think there is a write up in Adrians book for changing the front pads.

Regards

Rob
 
Rob Thanks But I don`t have Adrians book, the only book that I have is on my 3.2 I was thinking of changing them at the weekend seeing that I have got all the parts, looks like I will just follow my nose
 
It depends...

If you are used to dealing with braking systems, they are no more complex than most, but care is needed to aviod problems.

My concern is that you have asked the question. You are considering leaving your wife driving a 1990s 160mph supercar with brakes maintained by someone that has to ask this forum about fixing them! This does not seem right to me.

If you want to save money, do your own oil changes, but let the expers deal with the safety-critical systems!

A
 
Alister
My wife dirves a 964 because she likes it, not to go madly down the road at 160 mph, She likes that there`s power to get out of any situation that may come up.

The reason that I asked about the brakes was to see if anyone had problems changing them this is a sensible thing to do don`t you think

You say leave it to the experts after leaving a number of jobs to so called experts and finding them not up to my standard I have found that if you want a job doing right do it your self if you have the right tools

The field that I work in and the tolerances that I work too I find that most jobs are easy I can also call on a lot of experts in different fields for advice.

You say just do the oil change that`s a job I would leave for the experts at the service that way it gets the service book up to date
By the way the brakes where easy a lot easier than some I`ve changed over the years

When did a 964 get in to the Supercar Brackets[:D]
 
Changing brake pads is a doddle if you've got the 4-pot Brembo calipers. If you have a basic understanding of braking systems, what the components are, how they operate and their function and you have a reasonably well stocked tool box and you do your research up front and you allow yourself a good full day to do the job then I don't see why anyone shouldn't tackle the job. I've always replaced my own pads on all the cars I've owned and I can honestly say that Porsche brakes are the easiest to replace. It doesn't require removal or any dismantling of the caliper.

You only learn how to do these jobs by rolling your sleeves up and taking the plunge. I'm not a trained car mechanic but have tackled many jobs in my time. Brakes are important and it is vital you follow the workshop manual to the letter.

Only thing to be careful of is that you keep the friction surfaces free from grease or oil so wash your hands before directly handling the pads and disk. So make sure you've got a can of brake cleaning fluid/degreaser, a turkey baster to draw off brake fluid as you open out the pistons and some copper grease to smear on the back of your pads (much better than anti-squeal pads in my experience).

Half the fun of owning these cars is rolling up your sleeves and getting down and dirty with them!

I'm often shocked at how much garages charge for brake pad replacement. Once you've done it once it's less than an hours job - which includes a cup of tea inbetween sides.
 
By the way, if you like the look of drilled disks then go for them. Whether you've got OE equipment or non-OE equipment i'm sure that 99.9% of us never get anywhere near the limitations of either of the set-ups. If we all bought cars that were compatable with our driving abilities then very few of us would have Porsches in the first place!!
 

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