Brake pads
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I think they are over £400 for a front set.
They really should last at least 100,000 miles so you must have either done some serious track days or there is a fault on the system.
I have done over 50k miles (80k) and they are nowhere near worn out!
Design 911 sell them.
They really should last at least 100,000 miles so you must have either done some serious track days or there is a fault on the system.
I have done over 50k miles (80k) and they are nowhere near worn out!
Design 911 sell them.
Clive
What is a "Pagid" upgrade?
Went to my OPC today to ask them about the pads, was told that it is not uncommon for ceramic pads to be worn out at anything between 30and 50,000 km (18,500 - 30,000 miles) depending on the driving. Must admit I did some VERY VERY enthusiastic braking with the TT.
Been quoted E 1,480 or Pds 1,230 incl labor (and discount) for all the pads... Also nee a new set of tires, it will be an expensive week I can see. What are the best tires for the Turbo? Pirelli P0, Michelin super sport? - all advise welcomed.
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Francois
What is a "Pagid" upgrade?
Went to my OPC today to ask them about the pads, was told that it is not uncommon for ceramic pads to be worn out at anything between 30and 50,000 km (18,500 - 30,000 miles) depending on the driving. Must admit I did some VERY VERY enthusiastic braking with the TT.
Been quoted E 1,480 or Pds 1,230 incl labor (and discount) for all the pads... Also nee a new set of tires, it will be an expensive week I can see. What are the best tires for the Turbo? Pirelli P0, Michelin super sport? - all advise welcomed.
)Francois
Pagid make uprated brake pads for high performance and motorsport purposes. Quite a few in 997 Register and elsewhere who like spirited driving use them and rate them highly.
Michelin Pilot Super Sport are the way to go, but these are not currently 'N' rated for Porsches, although some people have already fitted them when they are unconcerned about warranty etc. If you need some urgently and an 'N' rated tyre is required, there is a choice of Pirelli, Michelin Pilot Sport, Continental or Bridgestone.
However, tyres in the correct Porsche sizes currently seem in short supply, so it may be Hobson's choice as to which make is available.
Regards,
Clive.
Michelin Pilot Super Sport are the way to go, but these are not currently 'N' rated for Porsches, although some people have already fitted them when they are unconcerned about warranty etc. If you need some urgently and an 'N' rated tyre is required, there is a choice of Pirelli, Michelin Pilot Sport, Continental or Bridgestone.
However, tyres in the correct Porsche sizes currently seem in short supply, so it may be Hobson's choice as to which make is available.
Regards,
Clive.
No ..... it's at least 100K miles (not klms). Thats what I have been told.
The discs at over £2k per corner should last many hundreds of '000s miles.
Make that £4k per corner.
The rear pads on my PCCB car are still the originals and I've got 43k on the clock and a few track miles.
Info on the pads now received as follows:-
Pagid most suitable compound for Gen 1 997 Turbo with PCCB is Pagid RS29 material.
Prices are as follows:-
Front "" E2707 Cost £295 (Retail £352.18) - 1 axle set
Rear "" E8006 Cost £212 (Retail £264.41) - 1 axle set
P&P £15. Plus VAT @ 20%
In stock and available now. PM me if you need any.
Regards,
Clive
Pagid most suitable compound for Gen 1 997 Turbo with PCCB is Pagid RS29 material.
Prices are as follows:-
Front "" E2707 Cost £295 (Retail £352.18) - 1 axle set
Rear "" E8006 Cost £212 (Retail £264.41) - 1 axle set
P&P £15. Plus VAT @ 20%
In stock and available now. PM me if you need any.
Regards,
Clive
Funny thing. I have just taken the extended warranty, 111 point check and all that, and I have RS 29s..........no problem (fitted by OPC too). However, according to the policy document, pads and discs aren't covered by the warranty as they are wear and tear items so it's somewhat irrelevant which type of pad is fitted (?) (unless they claim the engine blow up was down to non-OEM brake pads..........[
])In all honesty, the OPC shouldn't have renewed the warranty and have been a bit naughty there. The fact you've got non-OEM pads on there is irrelevant to what happens to the engine, I agree, but it's an insurance policy and the wording is quite clear, any non-OEM parts invalidate it. Whilst you should be fine should the worst come to the worst, if the warranty company decide to pick on your car to do an inspection on before paying out £25K on a new engine...
Is it worth the risk? Each to their own, I say.
Is it worth the risk? Each to their own, I say.
It appears to me quite wrong to be continually running scared of breaching warranty conditions and thereby spoil the enjoyment of using your car in way it was intended. There are laws when it comes to unfair contracts and the courts look equitably on victims of companies endeavouring to avoid their obligations by stretching interpretation of nefarious terms and conditions.
If the company commissions an engineer's inspection (paid for incidentally by the customer) and accepts payment of the premium, it is legally bound to honour its obligations. It would have little success IMHO trying to avoid the cost of a defective engine by reason of wrong brake pads being fitted when these were specifically excluded from the contract anyway- even it did manage to prove they were non-OEM or contained the wrong constituent materials- which seems highly unlikely to me
Regards,
Clive
If the company commissions an engineer's inspection (paid for incidentally by the customer) and accepts payment of the premium, it is legally bound to honour its obligations. It would have little success IMHO trying to avoid the cost of a defective engine by reason of wrong brake pads being fitted when these were specifically excluded from the contract anyway- even it did manage to prove they were non-OEM or contained the wrong constituent materials- which seems highly unlikely to me
Regards,
Clive
With all due respect Clive, and I do see where you're coming from, none of this applies to an extended OPC warranty. It's a contract that you do not have to take out if you don't want to: It's not forced on you, and there are benefits to not having it. All they ask is that you read the terms and conditions and if you don't agree with them, then you don't have to sign it and are free to take your business elsewhere. Part of that contract stipulates that you must only use OEM parts, and if you do not then the policy is void and they don't have to pay out.
It's no more complicated than that, and any relation to unfair terms is incorrect and any legal challenge based on that is going to fail. As an insurance policy, it is very fair for the covering company to attempt to mitigate their losses and the only way they can do this (short of putting a black box on your car and monitoring your actual driving!) is to stipulate that you have to use parts of a certain quality. It also means that Porsche get a nice kickback indirectly from every policy sold long-term as well.
The key exclusion sections are as follows:
2. A claim made under Your Policy for the repair
or replacement of a defective system or
component shall be invalid if:
c) Service, repair or maintenance has previously
been performed on the Vehicle by You or by a
third party who is not an authorised Porsche
Centre/ Authorised Porsche Service Centre; or
d) Genuine Porsche Parts have not been fitted to
Your Vehicle; or
e) The Vehicle has been modified in a manner not
formally approved by Us or the Manufacturer,
irrespective of whether the modification took
place before or during the Period of Cover; or
They couldn't make it any clearer, really.
Do I agree that a lot is made of the extended warranty conditions? Absolutely, but it's also very important that people understand just how separate it is from block exemption rules that help the customer in the first two years of the car's life. The EU saw fit to step in and protect people there as there was no choice with regards to warranty selection on a brand new car, but there is once that warranty has expired. I have the extended warranty and as much as I would love to go and put a set of Supersports on or a good set of Pagids or the GT3 ARBs, I know that my warranty is invalid if I do so, and so I stick to the rules that I was very much aware of when I took the policy out. If the engine/gearbox doesn't go pop whilst under warranty then I've pretty much wasted my money, but if it does there's no way I want to take the risk of them not paying out. To be fair there's a hell of a lot out there on this subject already, so I think I'll call it a day before I bore everyone to tears!
Incidentally, do you declare your mods to your insurance company? Again, you should do and I know I have, as I don't want to take the risk of not getting paid out should the worst come to the worst.
Schleicher
New member
Francois,
Ref the Corsa pzero N0 tyres, you're probably too late to get any. Took me months to track down a set of rears, one sourced in uk and one from Holland. I was told by my OPC that N1 pzero corsas are available but I did not verify that myself. Good luck!
Robert
Ref the Corsa pzero N0 tyres, you're probably too late to get any. Took me months to track down a set of rears, one sourced in uk and one from Holland. I was told by my OPC that N1 pzero corsas are available but I did not verify that myself. Good luck!
Robert
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