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Broken engine pics

Fen

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I got the car on the ramp before lunch and dropped the small undertray to take a look at the damage and some pictures. The engine will be removed next week and Andy has undertaken to photograph it on the stand before he starts to disassemble it, but until then this is as much as we can see.

Andy found #4 little end and gudgeon pin on top of the bellhousing (not sure how we all missed that on Saturday):
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Even just lifting the car it's obvious the sump has seen better days (even with my photography!):
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On getting the car up in the air we could immediately see a bit of a hole under the exhaust manifold looking at where the bellhousing meets the block:
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The same hole from the other side of the crossover pipe:
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The other side of the block is not quite so bad, but you can see the oil pickup has taken a beating in this pic:
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This is looking up #4 cylinder bore. It's not the best picture, but I couldn't get it quite right. Both sides of the bore are missing and there is something at the top that may be part of the piston crown:
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We still don't know exactly what happened, but it appears that #4 piston broke up as it is almost completely missing. Once the piston was broken we think the little end was snapped off with the gudgeon pin because it flailed around. The sump was cracked because the remainder of the con rod has been beating on the bottom of it as the crank rotated. The crank is complete and while one big end bolt has a missing head the big end itself is still attached leading us to think that the head was sheared by impact with other broken components rather than contributing to the failure; if the fastener had failed first then the big end would have come apart completely. Turning over the engine the other 3 cylinders still have compression.

All the pics will be in a new collection on my fotopic site http://fen.fotopic.net once Fotopic have satisfied themselves they are not adult in nature.
 
Nasty. That beats my valve head embedded vertically in the top of a piston from my Ultima. It's amazing what a loose piece of metal in your combustion chamber can do at 6,500 revs. [:mad:]

I doubt there will be any reusable parts from that other than possibly the other 3 pistons.
 
I hate seeing pics of broken engines [:'(] Bad luck sir.

Not had a lot of time to view the forum recently, but on a quick look last night (rick's site) it appears you ran 300+bhp at the dyno day....given that (I thought I read) the above damage occured before you got there I found this mightily impressive. [:D]

Or am I getting myself befuddled?

So what's the plans? Another rebuild, or...... something else(?). I did see two letters followed by a number at one point......[8D]
 
Nasty [:mad:] - I would definitely say they are adult in nature - this is big boys stuff [;)]

Pete
 
[:D] Imagine what it would have made with the back half of the block in-tact [8D]

What happened was that I had made some mods over the week leading up to Friday and the car went to Weltmeister on Friday afternoon to be remapped. The previous figure was 306bhp and low 300's lb.ft taken on the F1 test day, and I was obviously not happy with that.

On Friday it mapped to 358.9bhp and 345lb.ft (Rick understandably made a couple of errors in his data compilation, stating the earlier figure for my car being one). I then broke it on the subsequent test drive. I must point out at this stage that I don't currently hold the remap in any way responsible, except maybe that it produced enough power to cause a weak component to fail. There is nothing at all so far to suggest it was caused by detonantion for example, and I hope to confirm that beyond doubt when it comes apart.

The function of the car on Saturday was that of curiosity and for various people to pick bits of crankcase internals off and show me.

I'm not sure what to do with it now. It will be back in some form though, that is for sure.

James, I was hoping the head may go again, though I now suspect the valves from #4 might well be bent. Otherwise it's scrap for sure barring bolt-ons and not much else.
 
ORIGINAL: Fen
James, I was hoping the head may go again, though I now suspect the valves from #4 might well be bent. Otherwise it's scrap for sure barring bolt-ons and not much else.

I got a very nice novelty paperweight out of my engine though [:D]

It was also the most expensive novelty paperweight, as the new engine cost ÂŁ7,500 [&:]
 
ORIGINAL: Fen

The other side of the block is not quite so bad, but you can see the oil pickup has taken a beating in this pic:

That's quite an understatement as I can see the inside of the engine. Even with my limited knowledge, I know this to be a bad thing.

I've had this happen to me on a PSA Diesel engine (all be it with a little less power) - the most annoying part of the conrod smashing through the block is the amount of perfectly serviceable ancillery parts it takes wth it - in my case, the Rad, Gearbox and starter motor.

At least can be safely sure that the gearbox is okay!!
 
Sorry to hear of your bad luck fen, are you going to rebuild or find a replacement motor?

John Daly.
 
I haven't decided the specifics yet John, all I know is that is will be resurrected in some form.
 
Nasty nasty pics [:eek:] I'm truly gutted for you.

If you need some standard con rods and pistons to quickly put a bottom end together then you can have my old ones (they are currently in LILs boot by the seaside and I believe are re-useable). They are the only bits left from my old powerplant [:(]
 
Hi Fen,

I am really really sorry to see the mass destruction that was once an engine.

I was also speachless for about 5 mins after seeing them, as in all my years I have seen some seriously destroyed engines, but that one takes the biscuit!

If there is anything we down south can do to help, let us know... And thats NOT me saying I can sell you some bits, that me saying we probably have some bits that are going surplus that may help towards a rebuild, or that I am more than happy to help from a technical angle as well.

From what I can see your engine died due to a part being not long for this earth anyway and I dont think that detonation or the power increases caused the problem, I think that at worst it just brough forward that parts date to "check out" from "hotel engine" which was probably going to happen anyway... It was probably the same component that somehow was robbing you of power.
 
At least it went before we set off to Scotland, otherwise it could have been even more of a downer... There's never a brand new factory 944Turbo engine sitting around on a crate just when you need one [:(]

I think you should try selling the engine on e-bay along the lines of

'recently dyno'd at 360BHP, this extensively modified and lightened engine features fully floating gudgeon pins, shear bolt big ends, advanced crankcase ventilation, a quick release piston, excellent compression on all 3 cylinders. It has also been uprated to infinate capacity. Can be seen and heard running (on video). Would also make an excellent 3-D jigsaw as a gift (although some pieces missing).'

[:D] [:D] [:D] [:D]

(I'm laughing WITH Fen, not at him)

Rick
 
Bad luck Fen. In a peverse way I always find broken engines fascinating to look at, [:(] sorry can't help but look (must be the voyeur in me!).

Good luck with the next engine!
 
Thanks Paul, Jon etc. for the kind words and offers of help - it's heartwarming to see the community spirit come through.

Rick, I know you know this already, but in case anyone else is in doubt I think it's essential to have a sense of humour about it so feel free to make all the wisecracks you like as they genuinely make me laugh. I particularly like the infinite capacity angle, though I do seem to be having trouble with boost control for some reason.

Jon, I agree totally with what you suggest as to the cause, but hadn't considered it might have been the reason for low power output. I say low because my engine was very similar to Rick's (same turbo, same size injectors, same wastegate, same BOV, same head, same inlet, same ignition (all but plugs), similar engine management (sequential fuelling and ignition), similar boost, same mapper, same dyno etc.). Even with all those similarities and the fact my engine was 5,000 miles fresh and Rick's is past it's best in terms of piston sealing I was still the better part of 45bhp and 30ft.lb behind.

Anyway I agree I'm glad it didn't happen in Scotland as that would have been a downer for many more people than just me and I'm sure we will mull over the options with a wee dram or two and I can take things forward from there.
 
ORIGINAL: Fen

Anyway I agree I'm glad it didn't happen in Scotland as that would have been a downer for many more people than just me and I'm sure we will mull over the options with a wee dram or two and I can take things forward from there.

You lucky sod! Rather than drive around with your ears bleeding, your spine about to explode and Emma saying "What have you done to this car? It used to be so nice." you will now waft around in comfortable air conditioned opulence with TV and tree climbing torque. I'm still not convinced that Beaky isn't going to have a leak tomorrow and I'm going to have to go to Scotland in Jasper. [;)]

But seriously, I am very sorry about the carnage that was once your engine.

Jon is quite right that your engine could well have been on its way to "the big pit stop in the sky" and you just helped it on its way. I wonder how many of us will also be seeing holes in our highly stressed but otherwise standard and ageing engines.
 
Dude I can't believe it. Well sorry to see those pics. After all that effort, you must be gutted.

Hope you get it sorted soon,

Rich
 

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