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Tony

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Ok, 'other 4x4' sold, long weekend with the New Cayenne booked - but lead times are such that maybe I'll look for an earlier one, for a while at least. Two questions:
How much of a step forward was the '07 facelift car over the earlier ones (talking S here)?

There's a huge thread on Rennlist (http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/porsche-cayenne-forum/522976-coolant-pipes-a-z.html) about coolant pipe leaks and this was flagged recently in a review in Excellence. Is this a significant problem in the uk?
 
As the engines are the same, I'd imagine the coolant problem is also a concern on the "S" model here.... I had the coolant pipes fail on my "S" at 95K miles, cost £950.00 to fix at the OPC.....
 
Tony looking at the Topic above about Camshafts et al I would
look at a Range Rover or maybe a Toureg ?
 
how many camshaft failures have you heard of...i can think of only one !

These cars are very complex - not convinced -? open the bonnet and trya nad find all the major components of the engine.
the packaging is incredible
they are complex, and as such are more prone to failure than a simpler car
I'm not talking model specific here, I'm just talking about plain ole reliability - check out the BT Ground Benign Model if you like
more bits there are, under stress, the more chance that something will go wrong.

I think the issues surrounding OPC service & customer service are more worrying

Personally, I'd try and develop a relationship with the dealership - at all levels and departments.....
I was going to fix the coolant issue with my KN - but xmas was a disaster and I never got around to it;
now, it's going in for its annual service next week at the OPC; I mentioned the coolant issues, sthe service manager checked his records and stated he's not come across that particular issue in their dealership with a turbo, only the std V8 - his opinion was that it would be something simpler - lets wait and find out !

It all comes down to your attitude to risk;
if you are adverse - get a warranty
if lightly averse - try and put some money aside
not at all - wing it ! it may not present an issue !

These cars are dropping like stones in value, especially the ones like mine, the first couple of years models
however, I still have to remind myself, what could I truly get for the money that gives me the precision (yes..), power, comfort, load handling and off road capability(yes again...) that this vehicle does ? even if I have to throw some cash at maintaining it, it really is only going to depreciate further due to mileage, its in immaculate condition, and is now 6 years old !

If I bought a new lets say 5 series tourer (which doesn't even fit all my requirements) I'd be dropping shed loads in pure depreciation year on year for the best part of five years

So I'll stick with my KN, enjoy it, and be realistic that things will go wrong, if I can fix it I will (i.e. replaced the drivers door window mech last weekend), get it serviced in network ( did I mention discount, oh maybe not...), if I can't get it fixed by the OPC, and talk to the OPC staff in general !

sorry for the rant, but I'm putting off writing a report here at work !



 
As mentioned elsewhere, I recently had the coolant issue on my S and was fixed under extended warranty. But - compare with a Range Rover??? I know which I'd rather trust over a period of ownership.
 
Cant comment on the reliability on the latest Rangys but it can't be worse
than our chosen Marque .I personally wont buy another new Porsche unless
it is with a 5year/100000 mile guarantee.. so dream on Kevin.
Come September maybe the Rangy will give me even more to moan about .
But I must say my 90 and 110 Defenders (latest gen) have been fine apart
from the draught !
Obviously no comparison but if they are in any way indicative of the R/R
I might be happy yet !
 
Going back to the OP, what's the major differences between the original and facelift Cayenne S? Apart from the cosmetics it was basically the engine. DFi was introduced but as an owner, only gave marginally more shove from the 4.8 and despite the claims, similar fuel consumption. I averaged 19mpg in both versions. A lot of the early cars had steel suspension as the air option was not available to start with, but air makes for a slightly better ride, and noticeably less bouncy in the rear seats (so I'm told). I think memory front seats were standard on the first gen cars and a cost option on the facelift. Satnav was upgraded to dvd. A big plus (from bitter experience) was that a space saver spare wheel fits in the latest car with the Bose system, where it didn't first time around. I'm sure there was other stuff but those were the top of the head thoughts from me.
 
Ok guys - thanks but...
Wouldn't buy a Range Rover on build quality alone. However even more important my wife dooesn't want to drive round it what she feels is a leather upholstered brick.
Don't like the styling of the Towrag interior, loved the Cayenne we had for 4 years. Yes they're complex but hey have look round the electronic strewn new Range Rover.

So anybody out there who can tell me if the extra cost of a facelift car is worth it - or do I buy an 05/06 car and put the money saved into a repair fund?
 
I think on balance i would take the last suggestion because as previously
mentioned the fall in value is quite steep and what is an 07 going to be
worth in 2 years ?.I think it is safe to say that the early models now down to
£10K surely cannot go much lower ? Thats all i am offered for my 39K miler "S"
All cars today are strewn with Leccy gizmos Tony and i can respect your wifes
thought on the rangy shape but look what everyone said about the kn looks
especially on here .The Toureg looks more or less the same to me and I have not
heard the complaints flowing on them but maybe others have.
horses for courses i guess but no point in blowing hard earned cash on depretiation .?
 
Tony, there's quite a difference isn't there...

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/2285134.htm
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1765947.htm

Pays your money etc but would still get a decent warranty for peace of mind, Porsche or otherwise.
 
Peter those prices make mine without a mark on it at £10K an absolute steal.
If this is anywhere near the real value i would go for the cheapest deal.
PS I am not selling mine .
 
If I was in your position, I'd buy an 06 with either a warranty or a Slush fund...

Having said that I bought a 100k 55 Plate S which recently had the Coolant pipes replaced (prior to my ownership)
I have spent a further £2.5k on replacing all pads & discs (slightly scored) and a full service at an OPC to keep the FSH up to date, the service wasn't due for another 8K miles.... I also had the 111 Point inspection carried out, and apart from the brakes being pointed out and a few minor items of wear on some interior trim, it was all ok....[:)]

I will keep my fingers crossed that nothing else goes wrong as I have no warranty...
£ for £ there are not many cars that combine the driving experience with practicality in my opinion, I had been looking at RR Vogue's etc. but all the one's I viewed up to £22 K had one problem or another, as well as not as good on-road driving experience... Off-road I know that the RR is a much better proposition, but I'll never need this ability....

There are also less Cayenne's on the road and is a bit different from all my friends RR, RRS and X5's.....

Can I ask what the other 4x4 you sold was, just out of interest...?

I also think you should Google Saxton's.... Don't have a great reputation....[;)]
 
I am even getting offers like this from the OPC .I hope actually nothing
serious goes wrong and my Son (also forum member) takes it over .
Or at worst turn it into a pickup !
At this rate my number plate is worth more than the car.
But these prices must tell us something ie the trade or whoever does not
like them for whatever reason and it cannot be the shape .
 

ORIGINAL: tiskev

I am even getting offers like this from the OPC .I hope actually nothing
serious goes wrong and my Son (also forum member) takes it over .
Or at worst turn it into a pickup !
At this rate my number plate is worth more than the car.
But these prices must tell us something ie the trade or whoever does not
like them for whatever reason and it cannot be the shape .


I think the price of Petrol at the moment has a lot to do with it, this plus the fact that the Snow seems to be finished with for this winter...[;)]

Also, I think OPC's are only interested in cars less than 5 years old, with less than 50K miles....[8|]
 
as the new model is well out now, I really can't see the point in spending the extra on a facelift gen 1 model.
OK, so they look a little more cohesive from the outside, but there's not much in it with fuel consumption, and the interior is identical.
If you fancied a GTS, then that would be a different story !
 
Thanks folks useful stuff, I don't see much of a clamour for facelift cars, lots of good argument for an earlier one.
Time to get out there and kick some tyres!

ORIGINAL: Paulo
Can I ask what the other 4x4 you sold was, just out of interest...?

MB G500 - King of the offroaders - but we do so little off road time for a slightly different approach! Time to trade in the 3 diff locks for independant suspension
 

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