C2 vs C2S?
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Gordon Attar
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Its those wide "sexy" bodies and rarity value due to low production numbers, dont forget those £50k+ turbo's!
They command a higher price which is, in my opinion, not entirely warranted[
] - but if you want to pay that much more [8|]for a wider bodied 993, whether 2S or 4S, you're entitled to.
I think a lot of it stems from the fact that they aspire to look like a turbo, when they are not, but it's you choice, of course[]. The "˜narrow' body cars have a lovely shape too[].
] - but if you want to pay that much more [8|]for a wider bodied 993, whether 2S or 4S, you're entitled to.I think a lot of it stems from the fact that they aspire to look like a turbo, when they are not, but it's you choice, of course[
]. The "˜narrow' body cars have a lovely shape too[].
Thanks for the replies folks.
So there are slight differences although not sufficient to command such a difference other than desire!!
If I'm honest when I bought the 964, it was at the top of my budget to buy a good example, which I did thankfully, with an aspiration back then, to move on to a 993.
However, time has since moved on and where looks are concerned I prefer the front end of the 964 and the rear end of the 993.
Having now owned the 964 for over 6 years I would find it difficult to part with her (ah bless!)
But you never Know, never say never, I could always add an extension to the garage to make room for a 993! or better still a 964 Turbo!!
I'll just have to hope I win the lottery!
So there are slight differences although not sufficient to command such a difference other than desire!!
If I'm honest when I bought the 964, it was at the top of my budget to buy a good example, which I did thankfully, with an aspiration back then, to move on to a 993.
However, time has since moved on and where looks are concerned I prefer the front end of the 964 and the rear end of the 993.
Having now owned the 964 for over 6 years I would find it difficult to part with her (ah bless!)
But you never Know, never say never, I could always add an extension to the garage to make room for a 993! or better still a 964 Turbo!!
I'll just have to hope I win the lottery!
To be honest the problem with the prices of the 964 and the 993 being high is the production numbers - there was a total of about 50,000 993s being built. The later water coolded cars were produced in much larger numbers. The "S" model commanded a premium and is in fewer numbers. Note with the S model you get the 18 inch wheels and 225 width front tyres which reduce compliance and increase tramlining as it's a wider tyre.
The premium now is much more than it was 6 years ago when I bought my (non-S) - was just a couple of K at most then. Indeed the premium is currently more than it was when they were new! It does seem to have become a bit of an obsession, but likely to stay I guess as the cars get older and good ones get rarer. Like Maurice says some of the observed premium will be due to them all having VRam engines - which in my view is worth paying for, but can be found in the last year or so of production of the "narrow" body cars.
38F3E1
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It's quite difficult to compare apples with apples due to the V/R and non V/R years. The true spread is to compare a V/R Carrera and a V/R Carrera S. Both made in pretty much the same numbers (the V/R 2WD Carrera slightly lower volume than the V/R 2WD Carrera S for example).
There are a number of spreads going on out there in the 993 market
Non V/R versus V/R
2WD versus 4WD
V/R Carrera versus V/R Carrera S
You can't just lump all the non S Carrera cars together as you get a false picture. There are so few for sale that until I see a V/R Carrera and a V/R Carrera S for sale with similar mileage, in similar condition, in similar colours, at roughly the same time and preferably at the same dealer I am not sure what the spread really is. You hardly ever see a 2WD V/R Carrera for sale these days for example (same applies to the 2S), which makes it even harder to compare.
My guess is that the spread between 4S and a 4 is greater than the spread between a 2S and a 2 but again difficult to find enough cars to say for sure. 4S to 2S really have no idea.
I'd like both narrow and fat :- )
Ian.
There are a number of spreads going on out there in the 993 market
Non V/R versus V/R
2WD versus 4WD
V/R Carrera versus V/R Carrera S
You can't just lump all the non S Carrera cars together as you get a false picture. There are so few for sale that until I see a V/R Carrera and a V/R Carrera S for sale with similar mileage, in similar condition, in similar colours, at roughly the same time and preferably at the same dealer I am not sure what the spread really is. You hardly ever see a 2WD V/R Carrera for sale these days for example (same applies to the 2S), which makes it even harder to compare.
My guess is that the spread between 4S and a 4 is greater than the spread between a 2S and a 2 but again difficult to find enough cars to say for sure. 4S to 2S really have no idea.
I'd like both narrow and fat :- )
Ian.
Exactly as I would say[
] Incidentally, the S spec alloys were not "˜hollow spokes', but "˜solid spoke' - they looked exactly the same from the outside, but the hollow spoke versions are 6lbs lighter per wheel and needed to be ordered specially - so they're heavier if they're the standard S wheels.
M033 lowered suspension could also be ordered specifically... just two of the reasons I bought my "˜narrow body' varioram for a non-inflated price, as it had the bonus of "˜hollow spokes' and M033 factory optioned already[
]!Mark, I bought my C2 6 years ago too and can assure you the difference was at least 8k even then[
].So, it just depends whether you want(ed) to spend that much more for mainly a wider body for cosmetic reasons (still nice of course) or not[
].
The "S" 18" wheels when added to the 2S were the lighter hollow ones, but on the 4S they are the similar-looking (from the outside, but spokes different on rear faces) solid spokes. Incidentally, when questioning values, best not look at the 993 market in isolation - look at the early 911 and 356 market if you also want to see prices rising. Some would rather have a 997 than a more expensive 356 for example, but each to their own.
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...Mark, I bought my C2 6 years ago too and can assure you the difference was at least 8k even then[
Hi Paul, Well, OK, but I based what I said on about 18 months of searching to find a good car with the spec I wanted and I was finding 4S cars where the price did not put me off - but I was not doing much careful analysis of what element was driving price - could well be that the S models I saw were the poor ones (I certainly did not get tempted to buy them!). But I do remember Vram being a price differentiator (although guess that gets muddled with the age differentiator - especially back then when the Vram cars seemed quite "new"!)
Anyway, we are where we are and the S owners are on to a good thing in terms of "value".
I think the'turbo look' 2S's do look good and they for sure have the advantages in the suspension and wheel department over a standard C2, but the proof of the pudding is in the driving also, I am sure the 2S and 4S are fab motorway cruisers, but on our British non motorway roads I find the C2 to be a much more nimble performer (probably lighter as well , have not checked though)and apart from the Turbo's I would have a C2, with decent wheels, or absolute fave would be an RS (narrow body of course) I think we are all very fortunate to be driving Porsche's finest however[]
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