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Hello all
As i'm still toying with the idea of getting a Porsche i saw a beautiful Black S2 Cab recently and it sent my heart racing, I have read many articles on the 944 but alot don't cater for the Cab so is there anyone or anything that can give me an idea of what to look for specifically on Cabs.
Any help appricated

Jeff
PS i'm in Sheffield so if anyone has one nearby to look at or sell i may be interested. :)
 
Apparently some of the earlier cabs leaked around the windows (over the doors), so that may be something to think about.
Harriet
 
The reason the early ones leak is that the seal over the windscreen was a poor design, relying on the pressure of the quarterlight against the rubber to seal. Later cars have a ridge down the A-pillar seal that folds slightly around the front edge of the quarterlight to make a more positive seal. It's easy enough to tell visually if a car has the later seal. They only leak at speed as I understand it anyway.

Anything relevant to S2 (or Turbo) is relevant to the cab in mechanical terms. Cab specific issues are all to do with the hood as you'd expect. Seals are expensive, but they can be visually checked and they are usually still in good enough condition. Hoods themselves wear around the top of the B-pillar and the first signs are that there is no stiching in that area as it wears away first, then the fabric after. The mechanism is always electric on UK cars and is quite noisy and not very fast, but it should work reliably (you might need to give it a nudge after unlatching to tell it it isn't still locked closed when putting it down). They aren't very noisy inside when driving for what they are when it's up, and when it's down if you have a windbreak they are pretty pleasant inside at any speed you'd be comfortable driving, and possibly quite a bit faster, too. The back window might be cloudy - you can resurrect mild cloudiness with something like Renovo, but if it's bad it needs a new window. The window and even the rear section of roof can be replaced separately, but I can't see how you'd ever get a match between old and new fabric. A complete hood is about £1,000 fitted. If the car you see has anything but black or cobalt blue hood it's an aftermarket replacement (not necessarily a bad thing) or an import from a market with more flamboyant colour options.

Aside the A-pillar seal mentioned above they shouldn't leak except maybe when spraying a hose around the window seals when washing. The will leak when parked nose-down on a slope in heavy rain because water collects in the boot lid aperture and weeps through a plugged hole into the car, but it's a cheap fix to replace the 2 rubber bungs in the boot drain channel with some that have drains in (from a 964 as I recall) and some fuel hose to lead the water to outside.

In terms of practicality don't even think about LHD for the UK as it will be somewhere between highly inconvenient and outright dangerous with the roof up as there will be a massive blind spot right where you need to see to pull onto a roundabout for example. The boot is the same size as the coupe, but very shallow (maybe 8") - you can't stand up bottles of drink/milk etc. in there if you go shopping in it, but you can get 2 golf bags in for example. The rear seats are quite a bit smaller than the coupe also as the side panels are much thicker to accommodate the mechanism. The chassis is noticeably more flexible than a coupe, but still not bad in absolute terms. It's best to avoid stiff suspension and bigger than 17" wheels for that reason. They are slightly heavier than a coupe, but the extra weight is all low down and they have a lower roofline, so performance is much the same. The lower roofline means the screen is shorter so they feel much lower inside than a coupe. I believe they have a second floor for strength, but I couldn't detect a lot of difference inside the car in that aspect so I guess the extra bits are underneath the original.

Not many have air-con, but to be honest you don't need it as the cold air intake and fan are enough when the roof is down (and you aren't going to drive with the roof up in the sun, are you?) Leather is a nice thing to have, and most do, even if it's just because it's a bit showerproof and bird plop cleans off it more easily than with cloth. It can be hotter when you get in though, of course. Very few seem to have sports seats, but they are sufficiently better that they are worthwhile if you were to find two similar cars in other respects.

I used mine for one summer and two winters as a daily driver (50,000 miles in that period) and it's fine for that, so long as you don't have to carry more than two people very often (or the extras are pre-teens, possibly) and you can cope with the low, flat boot.
 
Excellent feedback thanks very much. after selling my VXT and S2K i was toying with the idea of getting another VXT but porsche is too much of a pull ;)
 
I've now had mine 10 months and absolutely love it. Yes it is a little bit wobbly at times but can still be thrown about with confidence - plenty good enough for the road.
The S2 engine has a lovely smooth power delivery and sounds great with the roof down. The boot can swallow a lot more than it first appears - as Fen mentioned, it is rather shallow but large enough in the other 2 dimensions for a set of golf clubs and weekend baggage - we've used it for plenty weekend trips away.

If you are not having any luck finding one to look at, drop me a mail as I'm in Nottingham which isn't too far from you. Alternatively get yourself down to the TIPEC annual show a week on Sunday (http://www.tipec.net/) - it's at Elvaston castle in Derby - only a hour at most from Sheffield! I'll be there in my car but I'm sure there will be several other cabs there......

 
Excellent thankyou, i may just pop down to the event, shame it's straight after my BBQ bday party and could be a little worse for wear ;) Is there a entry fee on the 30th? Is there a reasonable price i should be paying for a Cab? as i have seen a few near me on AT and one white one with 171k on the clock going for about 5K

Jeff
 
I'd say they are worth about 30% more than an equivalent coupe. I sold mine still going strong with 192,500 miles and I can honestly say it was a good car for the buyer as it had recent hood, a good history and the cams, chain etc., belts, pulleys, oil seals, brake calipers, suspension etc. had all been renewed within the previous 45,000 miles at most.

Assuming you want an S2 expect to pay anything from that £5k to £8,500 or so then I'd say, Turbos are a bit stronger, maybe £6,500 for a slightly ropey one to £10k or a little more for a minter. I'd also say that miles are not a bad thing and I absolutely would buy a 150k miler S2 with receipts for new cams and solid recent service history at a good independent over a 75k miler S2 with full main dealer history. Search the forum on S2 buying advice and S2 vs Turbo to see what you need to look out for.
 
or a little more for a minter
I was getting a little worried at your pricing [:-][:-][:-] until I saw the above [:D][:D][:D] as my 944 Turbo has still 39K on it from new and is mint.
Harriet
 
I had my first ride in an S2 cab the other day with the hood down. It was noticably springier than my coupe as Fen has said - I noticed it as a passenger but other than that it was a superb ride. It felt every bit as pokey as an S2 coupe and feeling the wind in my hair was nice - even though it was like a hair dryer in the heat we've been having recently. I didn't notice any excessive wind noise or buffeting even at speeds upto 60mph even with the side windows down so I could imagine you could cruise on the motorway for hours quite comfortably. To be honest i'd quite like one as a second car but I don't think I could get that one past the wife at the moment. I'm not quite as spontaneous as Fen when it comes to buying cars.
 
Harriets Turbo is most definitely a minter to beat all minters, I don't think I've seen another 944 that looks like it just rolled out the factory. It's got to fall outside of Fens parameters, but I don't think Harriet would ever want to sell it.

I'll give you a tenner for it ...........just for the engine [:D]
 
Yeah i wouldn't mind one as a second car for the summer, i was going to go for another VXT but i can't stretch the money, i want another Targa or Cab plus i want to get on the Porker ladder a 944 Cab fits the bill i think :)

Jeff
 
Don't buy a Targa they're horrible. A 911 should have a steel roof (and an air-cooled engine).
 
Absolutely love mine - she's not mint but polishes up well although i'm not sure i'de go for another red one (still like baltic blue).
There's always something to do on them i've found but that's part of the fun of having a classic i think.Mine doesn't seem to like "stop-start" town driving but is great on the roads and corners well.
No regrets buying mine.
 
A 944 coupe IS a targa [:D]

The sunroof is a whopping 4 foot by 2 foot and when lifted out the hole in the roof is bigger than any targa I have ever seen. Takes less than 30 seconds to take the roof out and put it in the boot. Go on, you know you want to [;)]
 
The Targa name was coined by Porsche to describe the neither-a-convertible-nor-a-coupe 911. I know in Germany 944s with sunroofs are described at Targas, but to my mind a Targais completely removable bewteen the A and B pillars. My personal opinion is that it's also rubbish (having had one) as (like most compromises) it doesn't encapsulate the best of two choices so much as avoid the best of two choices.
 
I didn't know that about the 944 sunroof :)
So this may sound like a silly question but out of all the non 911 Cabs is the 944 Cab better than say the 968 Cab, so say i had upto 10K to spend am i still better going for a 944 or spending more and getting a 968?
Does anyone know if there is much of a difference running either as a summer car?

Jeff
Oh PS does anyone know the cost of entry for the Tipec show on the 30th?
 
The 968 is effectively the 944 S3. Supposedly there was something like 85% new parts in the 968, but frankly I think the truth is more like 85% shared parts. If you like the 968 styling sufficiently more then go for one, otherwise buy an S2 and make it really nice with some of the money you saved. There's next to nothing in performance as the S2 will make claimed figures (or very close to) whereas the 968 often struggles to better the S2 figurs by much at all. You don't need a 6-speed gearbox; I never felt either of my S2s did, anyway. Everything else is pretty much the same perhaps with styling changes rather than anything of substance. For £10k you should get change from any S2 cab in the country (yes, even the mintiest minter in my opinion, the ones for sale at £15k plus will stay just that - for sale), whereas it will only be enough to look at the lower end of 968 cab stock. The 968 therefore has more room to depreciate. Early 2.5 Boxtsers are within the £10k range now and that will hit the 968 soon if it isn't already.

Running either model would be identical I imagine - same core body structure, same suspension, brakes, wheel & tyre size, hood, dash, standard equipment, similar seats etc. etc.

£10k would also buy a nice 944 Turbo cab, which would be a different animal to the 968 or S2; bugger brakes, air-con, leather sports seats, wider wheels, stiffer suspension, LSD, unpleasant lag (but under £1k in basic common sense mods would sort that out). Ultimately I think the 944 Turbo cab will be the most valuable model from the whole 924/944/968 range because there was no replacement and they are so rare. Possibly not for a couple of years yet, though.
 

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