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Calum's big reds 968 Brakes & M666

David Hooper

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Since last post re the mad maritime CS it has run out of brakes! Well the fronts are OK ish (genuine Porsche stuff) but rears sh****d. They were standard discs with EBC greens but now rumbling away after a few track days.
Also now going much faster (honest) after induction kit, front strut brace and M030 adjustable rear ARB fitted. ARB brand new from OPC with bush's about £100 - got it on middle holes - fab difference.

Any road up have acquired all new M030 discs, pads & associated bits for rear but want to fit big reds to front. Have already fitted aeroquip hose all round.

In PP Stuart, our 968 registrar, mentions Calum Lockie of Gold Track and his car being fitted with big reds.Having chased Calum around Dono (for about a 100 yds!) I can confirm that those brakes are excellent.
Now I know the OPC parts man (a very nice man by the way)who supplies me also supplies Calum with his replacement pads. He also told me that they are 993 turbo and he thinks they are a straight fit to the 968. Now is this true? Does the car need M030 spindles or special brackets? Stuart, if you read this, is what you suggest ie 928 brakes, a better way to go and is that more cost effective?

Have read the 968.uk forum stuff, v.v.good by the way, but I've noticed finding used bits now is getting more difficult and by the time refurbished cost wise maybe new would be better.

Oh yes, the parts chap printed out a list of bits including calipers(£340 each), disc's(£129 each), pad's(£91 a set), warning bits and damping things that adds up to just over a grand plus the VAT, which I can claim back, so if correct sounds not too bad for original Porsche bits. I've yet to discuss discount but I will get some. Any advice gratefully received.

On a different tack that exhaust from Essential looks neat. Has anyone got one yet ?
I had my induction kit from them which, although a bit fiddly to fit, has made a difference.

Right then might as well make a night of it!
Regarding M666 the Cat C car. I have been reading this thread with interest as I do all the motor trade related comments on all the forums.
I am a motor trader(trade to trade) who owns a Cat D write off 968CS. I don't think I would buy a Cat C but if seen before repair maybe.

I bought the car from a chap over at Telford(a trader) who advertised it as a Cat C and swopped him an old 944 16v which I'd bought from one of my main dealers.
The 968 then owed me just over £8000 as a 1992 K reg in Dec 2002 with 60k on it and some history which was, considering its other history, a bit too much but the car was for me. The heart ruling the head bit applies to us also.
The car is registered with HPI as "damaged repairable but insurer chose not to". We all know why this happens. Its because using genuine OPC bits + OPC paint shops makes it too expensive.

I took the car to Hartech for a full going over which cost me nearly £3000. Nothing to do with the bodywork - all engine - cam gears bust up - and brakes, calipers all seized discs & pads done in etc etc.

My point is that even with a well repaired car it can still catch you mechanically and vice versa BUT, if you bought it right no matter. Many many cars sold every day have had some damage or other but if you know and its small or repaired correctly is safe and price adjusted then its not a problem.

Please if you are parting with your hard earned cash and remember, you are buying with your heart here (don't think you aren't) get it HPI'd AND checked over preferably by the people who will look after it who you trust.
Just HPI is not enough. Many leasing companies have in house repair centres where damage is never recorded. Some companies are self insuring or have a £10,000 excess on their insurance so the car gets fixed at a price and moved out to trade.
Some unscrupulous individual's have enough money to cover damage repairs without it going through their insurance people. If its done properly OK but GET IT CHECKED.

There is a 996 at auction at this time which has accccident damage front and rear. It is not on HPI. It looked fine but allegedly it drives like a three legged donkey and grumbles as much.
It is honestly announced as such at the auction at this time by an honest vendor. In a few weeks time at another auction many miles away it may just be sold as seen and an honest trader or joe public may just buy it. It will then after a few weeks end up costing somebody a lot of money. Be carefull.

Look at that, no post's for months then go crazy!!!
Cheers
DPH









 
Great post, thanks David, and the motto is clearly CAVEAT EMPTOR [:mad:]

Not wishing to sound smug, it quite cheers me up to hear that even those of you in the motor trade get burned now and again [;)] In fact this happened to a pal of mine who is a very successful garage owner, and is always telling me how he knows better than us mere punters. He bought a new Jaguar XK8 coupe as a toy for himself, and when he sold it a year later he took the bath of all time on it [:D][:D][:D] I've taken his advice with a much bigger pinch of salt since!

John H
 
David......

Now where do i begin......

Brakes...
Why do you want Big Reds??? When M030 callipers are just as good ....
There not only cheaper , but weight less than big reds ,, + weight saving on a track car is GOOD....
If you get the 030/928S4 bits you will need a set of calliper addapter brackets to fit them to standard spindles ,,, OR get some 030 spindles,,[ GOLD DUST ] In fact youl need them if you get big reds also....

The front discs off a 928S4 can be used , probably just as good as 030 drilled ones + half the cost....+ you wont get any disc cracking either....
In fact i cant understand why you got some 030 drilled rears as im sure they will be dearer than normal ones + no noticable performance difference....

If you saw any of the Porsche racing in 04 + watched the Team GVR 968,s ,,, they use the 030 stuff + find them perfectly adequate......

The pads
If you went down the performance route then the Pagid range are as good as any ,, ie the "blues,oranges,etc" not just the standard Porsche ones [ in fact Porsche pads are Pagids ] + they can make some grinding noise even when they arent worn out.....

Regards the parts ,, Give Stu a call as he can scource the parts you will need at a LOT better price than your local OPC....

In fact i "may" have a couple of sets of 030 callipers for sale shortly, incl addapter brackets ..
Im having a clear out of the garage ,,,need the space ......
If your interested let me know........

Regarding the cat C
I agree entirely with your comments.......
Buyer beware......


 
Thank's for the replies chaps.
John - prob his heart over head again, its all a risk and big b***s ! As an older trade mate of mine said not that long ago when I was sweating a bit on two mini's I'd got(one a Cooper S no a/con) "Don't worry lad, it's only a game!"

Big D - thaks for the help and I would be v. interested in those calipers please e-mail me with price.

Cheers
DPH
 
I concur with Dave - and also have big reds on mine with 030 rear discs. The 030 rear discs are a waste of money (unless you want the 'look') and your brakes will produce more dust (as i find to my detriment having a white CS). The fronts are incredible - too good in fact, actuating the ABS under the slightlest heavy braking (in the dry!). I think you also have to factor in cost as well - i obtained my calipers from an old contact in the states (a pair for not much than you have priced for one caliper - although you can buy them from Sunset Porsche for around $660 +tax,vat,shipping), therefore the difference between used S4 calipers (030) + refurb was not much less than new calipers for me.

Big blacks are marginally cheaper, dont forget to swap the bleed nipples over with the bottom pipe on the big red calipers. ('lead' mounting on 993TT as opposed to 'trail' fitment on 968)

But going on UK prices for 993TT calipers, going for S4 calipers and refurbing them maybe more economical (as Dave states you will still need adaptors unless you can get hold of 030 spindles/hubs). Also, with S4 calipers you can use the solid 928S4 discs (about a third of the price of OEM 030 discs, which are prone to cracking prematurely under heavy use), and you have the overall weight saving.

If you go for 993TT calipers, 993RS discs are one piece and much cheaper than 965 discs. Just make sure you have the correct offset on the adaptors. 5mm further out of the centre of the car towards the wheel with 993RS (and 993TT 2-piece) discs as opposed to 965 discs (and 928S4/968 030 discs using S4 calipers)

Dave will sort you out if you go down that route, will make sure you have the correct parts and will sell at a fair price.

....a higher rated bias valve (more to rear) also works wonders with the uprate (either)

Jason
 
Hi David,
not much to add to Big Dave and Jason's comments, in fact these 2 guys are really teh gurus on 968 brakes, but just to confirm your question to me, yes if you use the 928 calipers you will need adapter blocks, (dependng on what prices you can get parts for) this route for me has been very cost effective.
 

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