Carerra S Powerkit - Kick at 3k revs

[okellyt]

Having run my C2S in and now into 4k+ miles and am well on the way towards the powerkit run in developing full power.

As the miles have piled on I have noticed more and more kick from around 3k revs alll the way to the red line at 7.2k (the limiter on x51 is 7.5k)

So it pulls ok to just under 3k then it kicks hard and keeps kicking hard all the way round the rev range. The more I have run in the beast the more pronounced this is getting.

Has any one else with a powerkit observed the same?

Its kind of like a mini turbo effect as the accelreation from the kick onwards feels very linear

 

[YvesD]

okt,

You are not imagining it and your observations are in line with what Porsche themselves say about the powerkit. My PSE seems to go quiet at about these revs too which kind of adds to the Millenium Falcon sensation as the car gathers speed quickly and all of a sudden the noise comes back in !

I finally passed my running in marker today so no more articial rev limit. Didnt get chance to hoon it on the way home, too much traffic etc.

Looks like the rest of the week is going to be nice weather wise so I shall be testing the hyper drive out very shortly !

Yves

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: YvesD

okt,

You are not imagining it and your observations are in line with what Porsche themselves say about the powerkit. My PSE seems to go quiet at about these revs too which kind of adds to the Millenium Falcon sensation as the car gathers speed quickly and all of a sudden the noise comes back in !

I finally passed my running in marker today so no more articial rev limit. Didnt get chance to hoon it on the way home, too much traffic etc.

Looks like the rest of the week is going to be nice weather wise so I shall be testing the hyper drive out very shortly !

Yves

Yves

Where did you get too with exprimenting with the un rev-limited powerkit now you've run it in?

Now at 4.5k miles my beast has suddenly found a bunch more urge in all gears and all revs[][]

 

[YvesD]

okt,

I have had a few 2nd and third gear sorties but changing up at approx 6500rpm so as not to get caught out by the revlimiter. Just need to refine the technique so that I can change up just as the needle passes 7000rpm.

Car is very fast and very responsive, I am happy. []

Some dawdling old rust bucket wandered out in front of me on the dual carrigeway the other day as I was winding her up in third, anticipated it a good way off so eased off a bit, didnt change gear, held the revs at around 5000rpm whilst said rust bucket wandered back into inside lane ( all without use of signals and very poor observation ), nailed it when the coast was clear and zoinks, before I know it 120mph has come up and time to back off sharpish.

Yes, very happy. []

Yves

 

[garyw]

ORIGINAL: okellyt
Now at 4.5k miles my beast has suddenly found a bunch more urge in all gears and all revs[][]

Finally moved the carpet from under the pedal then Tom []

garyw

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: YvesD

okt,

I have had a few 2nd and third gear sorties but changing up at approx 6500rpm so as not to get caught out by the revlimiter. Just need to refine the technique so that I can change up just as the needle passes 7000rpm.

Car is very fast and very responsive, I am happy. []

Some dawdling old rust bucket wandered out in front of me on the dual carrigeway the other day as I was winding her up in third, anticipated it a good way off so eased off a bit, didnt change gear, held the revs at around 5000rpm whilst said rust bucket wandered back into inside lane ( all without use of signals and very poor observation ), nailed it when the coast was clear and zoinks, before I know it 120mph has come up and time to back off sharpish.

Yes, very happy. []

Yves

Yves good to hear of course you don't get full power now to 7200 revs and the limiter is therfore raised to 7450

Guessing where exactly that point is given the dial still has a 7200 red line is fun (not)

So far not hit the rev limiter but am now regularly fidning 7200 revs in second overtaking miscreants in the middle of my favourite run (I alwys give the beast a few quiet miles at either end of the run even if the engine is up to temp before then)

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: garyw

ORIGINAL: okellyt
Now at 4.5k miles my beast has suddenly found a bunch more urge in all gears and all revs[][]

Finally moved the carpet from under the pedal then Tom []

garyw

Gary

As captain slow I need all the help I can get............

A certain Mr Riley part cured my slowness at the Millbrook test track for the 997 owners half day.

Full day Performance course coming later this year hope for further cure. At this rate I might need a faster car soon?

 

[garyw]

Glad you enjoyed the half day, my day last Thursday was a slight disappointment compared to last time I went along...[:'(]

Sure I learned the lines around Millbrook, but only Millbrook points rather than road use in general...
I didn't find it as educational as last time I went, however I did get to drive very fast, so all is good that ends good [].

garyw

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: garyw

Glad you enjoyed the half day, my day last Thursday was a slight disappointment compared to last time I went along...[:'(]

Sure I learned the lines around Millbrook, but only Millbrook points rather than road use in general...
I didn't find it as educational as last time I went, however I did get to drive very fast, so all is good that ends good [].

garyw

146 on the mile straight in a stock C2S before I bottled it. Not bad for captain slow - x51 is noticably quicker I'd guess another 10mph+ on the straight []

Was still slow on the Alpine circuit couldn't get the pattern into my head so kept reacting to each corner not planning, nary mind next time []

Got some very helpfull reminders on genral road driving and have since put to good use, much to my wifes terror

 

[Count]

Just booked my C4S in for the X51, thanks to YvesD et al, I decided to use Sussex rather than the OPC I sourced the car from. Seems like a sensible upgrade to do give the reviews so far.

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: Count

Just booked my C4S in for the X51, thanks to YvesD et al, I decided to use Sussex rather than the OPC I sourced the car from. Seems like a sensible upgrade to do give the reviews so far.

Count - Nice one, you won't regret it. Does change the character of the car though a lot more punch lower down and more linear acceleration - you'll have to watch the speedo a bit more. Shame

 

[Adam2S]

Do you mind me asking how much? And did you already have PSE?

Im partially tempted for the longer term as 1 month into ownership and Im already wishing for a little more oomph at times. Still I will wait for it to get better with a few miles before I commit either way.

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: Adam2S

Do you mind me asking how much? And did you already have PSE?

Im partially tempted for the longer term as 1 month into ownership and Im already wishing for a little more oomph at times. Still I will wait for it to get better with a few miles before I commit either way.

Adam

I'd run the 2s in and enjoy that for a while first as the car does loosen up and get noticibly faster the first few thousand miles - I'd run ot to ~6k miles and then start looking at the x51.

After market including PSE seems to ahve been "somewhat under £10k all in". So it is more expensive post build than ordering it with the build.One of the things that drove me to spec mine with the new car.

If you alredy have PSE it will be cheaper. Yves no doubt can provide wisdom on what Surry OPC would do for you. Them seem to ahve the most favourable comment for the after market x51 upgrade.

 

[YvesD]

ORIGINAL: okellyt

ORIGINAL: Adam2S

Do you mind me asking how much? And did you already have PSE?

Im partially tempted for the longer term as 1 month into ownership and Im already wishing for a little more oomph at times. Still I will wait for it to get better with a few miles before I commit either way.

Adam

I'd run the 2s in and enjoy that for a while first as the car does loosen up and get noticibly faster the first few thousand miles - I'd run ot to ~6k miles and then start looking at the x51.

After market including PSE seems to ahve been "somewhat under £10k all in". So it is more expensive post build than ordering it with the build.One of the things that drove me to spec mine with the new car.

If you alredy have PSE it will be cheaper. Yves no doubt can provide wisdom on what Surry OPC would do for you. Them seem to ahve the most favourable comment for the after market x51 upgrade.

Gron at Sussex has done so many of these now that he could probably do it with one hand tied behind his back !

I have no issues at all with my 'retro fit' kit, in fact anybody else would have no idea it wasnt on there from new if not told.

As for the price, each deal will be slightly different I suspect but I dont think I would be out of order to say you will get more change than you perhaps imagine out of £10k.

Yves

 

[okellyt]

Adam2S - there you go, from Mr x51 himself[8|];

Enjoy the C2S for a while when run in and them get yourself off to Sussex OPC for the X51,the dark side, and more power[]

 

[Adam2S]

Yeah deffo not ready for it at the moment, but maybe in 6 months. But dont want to leave it so late that Im ready to sell the car soon after.

Im still interested to know how much more it will be than the £7081 (X51 less PSE) that it would have cost to spec at build. £8000????

 

[Count]

I don't want to post figures on here. The reason is that I think Sussex are establishing themselves as experts on retro-fit X51 and as such they are gaining some economies of scale as well as being sensible about the costs involved.

I would simply give Simon there a call. I did just that and he worked a price for me that I felt was fair, I already have PSE so I just needed the rest of the kit fitted.

My concern was paying a lot for labour over the factory build that I would never see back at resale. I'm satisfied that in the scheme of things, the price I am paying is not a massive premium that I will lose. I don't think the X51 cars are going to be common so I actually think the car will command a premium as a result that might protect residuals more than a standard S car. The market in a few years for 997S cars will have a fair few buyers being very attracted to the X51 as an option, it might well be THE option to have.

 

[okellyt]

Adam2S

I concur wth counts comments - there is an offical price for the conversion some where in the £10-11k region but deals can be done with specific OPC's.

Clealry if an OPC does you a deal at under "list price" they would not want that price widely advertised at risk of being told not to offer deals by Porsche UK or GMBH

I can't comment as I've had mine from new but speak to the guys/Simon direct at Sussex OPC and see what deal they'll do you.

 

[YvesD]

ORIGINAL: okellyt

Adam2S - there you go, from Mr x51 himself[8|];

So kind !

Yves