Carrera/Carrera Sport - What's the difference

[leesweeney]

I am having a 3.2 Carrera checked out by my local independant for me this week (it's a private sale so I want it checking over). What I know about the car is that it is a 1989 car, 65,000 miles, 16" fuchs and tea tray rear spoiler.

What I don't know is whether it is a standard Carrera or is a Sport (it's narrow bodied so I am not confusing it with a supersport). I understand that all 1989 cars went to 16" fuchs (whereas previously they only came as an option or with the Sport) and that the tea tray spoiler (and hopefully matching front lip) were a common optional extra on the none sport making it look like a sport.

So, how do I tell the difference between a None sport car with 16" fuchs and the tea tray spoiler etc and a sport which had these anyway? What are the other differences I should find? Or am I talking a load of cobblers because all UK cars were Sports in 1989? (don't think they were but don't know for certain). What am I looking for on the log book to identify the difference?

Dynamicaly is there a difference between the two? Would I notice it on the road for instance?

And finally, what should the difference in price be - if any?

Loads of questions there so thank you very very much in advance of your replies.

 

[Gary C]

Check the option codes & the V5

Mine is listed as a Sport on the V5 and has the following option codes
C16 UK car
058 Impact absorbers front & rear
243 Shorter gear shift leaver
330 Radio Blaupunk Toronto SQR 46
335 Automatical safety belt, 3-point, rear
383 Sport sear left, electrical, vertically adjustable
387 Sport sear right, electrical, vertically adjustable
425 Rear window wiper
473 With front spoiler and rear spoiler
474 Shock absorber (sporting) front and rear
490 Sound system
494 Additional amplifier
567 Windshield tinted, upper part darker coloured
650 Electric sliding roof
975 Luggage boot trip with velour carpet

Main ones seem to be the sporting shocks and maybe the seats. It certainly has a lower ride height than a non sport as standard.

 

[leesweeney]

Thanks Gary,

That's really helpful. The one I'm looking at is Guards Red too. Great colour though I'd consider others. Need to get some red braces to match!

ORIGINAL: Gary C

Check the option codes & the V5

Mine is listed as a Sport on the V5 and has the following option codes
C16 UK car
058 Impact absorbers front & rear
243 Shorter gear shift leaver
330 Radio Blaupunk Toronto SQR 46
335 Automatical safety belt, 3-point, rear
383 Sport sear left, electrical, vertically adjustable
387 Sport sear right, electrical, vertically adjustable
425 Rear window wiper
473 With front spoiler and rear spoiler
474 Shock absorber (sporting) front and rear
490 Sound system
494 Additional amplifier
567 Windshield tinted, upper part darker coloured
650 Electric sliding roof
975 Luggage boot trip with velour carpet

Main ones seem to be the sporting shocks and maybe the seats. It certainly has a lower ride height than a non sport as standard.

 

[Big_nige]

I always thought the main/only difference was the shocks, bilstein instead Boge and the the seats, large side bolsters. Having said that if you tick alot of the options you could end up with a 'standard' Carrera beyond a 'sport' model.

Mine came from the factory without front or rear spoilers, but with sports seats, LSD, 16" fuchs but with Boge shocks.

I wouldn't think a 'sport' spec would have much of a premium over a 'standard' spec if at all. Just buy on condition.

 

[davidcross]

im not looking for one lee at the mo but can i ask where it is advertised.just so i can get a handle on likely costs/differences

 

[Bertroex]

Like the other ones have said before:

A sport pack was: green bilstein sport shock absorbers, front and rear spoilers, 6 &7 x 16 fuchs forged alloys (except for Model year 89 as the factory had too much stock of the ££££ 8 x 16 so that 89 should come on 6 front and rear 8.

Now, in Europe you would spec these options separately, Porsche Cars GB would offer them as a "pack". Naturally there was a relative freedom of options you could pick and mix: some standard cars came with Fuchs and sports seats etc. Some drivers liked bilstein + 15 inch fuchs (more sidewall flex thus sporty steer in but good comfort), others liked the "feel" of the 16 but only with boge etc etc etc.

Moral of the story: Check the spec out of the delivery and see what is left of it or what has been changed/upgraded and how it was executed.

HTH,

Bert

 

[leesweeney]

It's not advertised - it's someone I know through work so know him to be a genuine chap but I haven't seen the car yet, just had it described.

 

[leesweeney]

Thanks to everyone for their responses.

 

[nathan 1981 930 G50]

When I bought my car 11 years ago, the book price difference between sport and not was £2K. Considering how much this cost extra when new I'd personally say the £2K extra still stands. However, as stated it's more about condition and history of the car that affects their value anyway.

 

[leesweeney]

A lucky escape! The car I said I was considering buying (see below/my original post) was duly seen inspected, offered and accepted and due to be collected the following day. I then did HPI check and it was an Insurance Total Loss 17 years ago!

I was buying it from someone I know very well who has had it over 12 years and bought it from a Porsche dealer. A lucky escape for me but I feel for the owner who had no idea and is understandably upset. He paid full money for it of course - I bet there are many people who wouldn't HPI a car from an upmarket dealer who specialise in high value sports cars. The divison of this company no longer trades and beside in law you only have 6 years to make a claim.

The car was repaired so well that even the PPI which I had done by a Porsche dealer didn't bring anything up.

So, beware, do a PPI and whatever you do, even if from a reputable dealer - do your own HPI check!

If anyone has a first class 3.2,G50 they want to sell I am interested again.

ORIGINAL: leesweeney

I am having a 3.2 Carrera checked out by my local independant for me this week (it's a private sale so I want it checking over). What I know about the car is that it is a 1989 car, 65,000 miles, 16" fuchs and tea tray rear spoiler.

What I don't know is whether it is a standard Carrera or is a Sport (it's narrow bodied so I am not confusing it with a supersport). I understand that all 1989 cars went to 16" fuchs (whereas previously they only came as an option or with the Sport) and that the tea tray spoiler (and hopefully matching front lip) were a common optional extra on the none sport making it look like a sport.

So, how do I tell the difference between a None sport car with 16" fuchs and the tea tray spoiler etc and a sport which had these anyway? What are the other differences I should find? Or am I talking a load of cobblers because all UK cars were Sports in 1989? (don't think they were but don't know for certain). What am I looking for on the log book to identify the difference?

Dynamicaly is there a difference between the two? Would I notice it on the road for instance?

And finally, what should the difference in price be - if any?

Loads of questions there so thank you very very much in advance of your replies.

 

[Gary C]

What cat was the total loss ?

Just because a car was written off, does not automatically make it a bad car. Infact due to the value of a 911, they are more likely to be properly repaired than your normal run of the mill rep wagon.

It may affect the value, but don't automatically discount it, it may actually be a better car than a lot of other cars.

 

[leesweeney]

Categories only came in to effect in 97 or 98. This was 92.

It obviously has been repaired very well as it passed a PPI with flying colours. However, I don't want a car thats been a total loss, no matter how good or cheap. As a track car, fine, but I like my cars concours and so couldn't do it.

ORIGINAL: Gary C

What cat was the total loss ?

Just because a car was written off, does not automatically make it a bad car. Infact due to the value of a 911, they are more likely to be properly repaired than your normal run of the mill rep wagon.

It may affect the value, but don't automatically discount it, it may actually be a better car than a lot of other cars.

 

[Gary C]

ORIGINAL: leesweeney

Categories only came in to effect in 97 or 98. This was 92.

It obviously has been repaired very well as it passed a PPI with flying colours. However, I don't want a car thats been a total loss, no matter how good or cheap. As a track car, fine, but I like my cars concours and so couldn't do it.

Fair enough if you are looking for perfection.
I meant that looking at +20yr old cars finding an unmolested, original car is going to be very difficult and a repared car could actually be in better condition than an outwardly good looking car with hidden rot.

 

[nathan 1981 930 G50]

And to the other extreme I've seen a car identical to mine which was registered A5 NUJ which was hpi clear that had clearly been very very badly damaged.