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Carrera vs SC.....?

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Hi all. I am not looking for arguements here, just your honest opinions as to which model is most suitable for myself. I am after the Classic appeal with some performance and usability and it would be a second car. £8k--£12k to spend on a Red or Black model c/w FSH etc. I do not want work. What makes the Carrera better than the SC..???
 
I've had both, and would say that the 3.2 Carrera is nicer than the SC, although this is reflected in the prices.

Best to read the various road tests of the 3.2 Carrera when it supeceded the SC in 1983/84. Also, get a copy of Tony Corlett's book - Last of the Evolution.
 
I would say the advantages (in my experience) a Carrera has over an SC are...

Motronic fuel injection (better engine management, improved economy)
More CC's - More power, better performance (though not a lot as it weighs more)
Better gearbox (mine has G50, not all do though and in your price range you may not get this)
Bigger Fuchs (Mines an 89 model year so came with 6's and 8's, not all did)

I think the usual advice is to buy the best car you can in your price range this doesn't neccessarily mean the newest. At upto 12k I would think you would get a much better condition SC than an equivelent priced Carrera and I don't think you would really miss any of the 'improvments' the Carrera has.

At that price range I'd go for a late SC with a top end rebuild, gearbox rebuild and sorted suspension with good history and evidence of loving owners over an original highish mileage Carrera. Given that you dont want to work on it it seems like a no brainer to me.

Oh and take your time looking and get it checked by a specialist.

Cheers

Andy

 
Bronco - Drive both back-to-back then you'll answer most of your own questions. More power, better handling and if you go for the later model ('87) on you will get the G50 box which in the real world most people prefer, though the 915 is not the dog some people make out.

After all that, 3.2 prices are holding and will probably rise so you could get a free ride so to speak, if you buy wisely from a PCGB member.

There are plenty out there. Look at and drive as many as you can. Read Pete Morgan's " Buyers Guides" so you know what to look for (ignoring the bit about oil pressure IMHO) and when you get it down to the one, get a professional inspection if you're still in doubt.

Starting here on the forum is a good idea. The guys will give you their honest opinion and personal experiences. The 3.2 guys are great and will help out a lot when it comes to the technical stuff as well... but I am biased!

Another option not to dismiss is to look for a good 1976-77 pre SC 3.0 litre. You can get a good one now for around £8,000 and the general feeling is that at that money the only way is up.

That said...I was in your position a year ago and bought an '87 Targa...Makes me smile every time I drive it.

Good luck

Steve
 
Hi Bronco, as Paul911 mentioned just changed from an SC to a 88 3.2 Carrera coupe. Main difference to me is that my particular 3.2 is a lot quieter and refined but this is to be expected as it is 7 years newer than my old SC. Performance wise I don't think it is much quicker and there is not much difference in fuel consumption. The 3.2 is a bit better from cold due to the electronic fuel injection. The only reason I changed was because I came across this late 3.2 and it was always the car I promised myself and I found a good home for my SC. Don't be put off by the 915 gearbox never an issue for me as a well sorted one is not that much different from the G50 I have now. All I would say is buy on condition and try not to be to fussy on colour. I still miss my SC and I am glad it went to a good home. In fact my mate Andy (Whitechamelion on here) is the proud owner feel free to e-mail for any other questions.
 
I am privileged to own a version of each. I find the 3.2 to be more tractable, economic and, with G50 gearbox, a little easier to drive. Having said that I prefer to carry out my own repairs and maintenance and in this respect the SC is the one to go for - more specialist equipment is required for the 3.2's electronics. Whilst that may not a big consideration if you intend farming out the maintenance remember that more electronics means more potential components to go wrong in future.

Overall I prefer the SC, the engine just seems to rev that bit more freely and it just begs for a good thrashing each time I take it out. The 3.2 is just a tad more sedate/restrained (sophisticated?). I agree with previous comments about price, just look for a well sorted version at any age and buy on condition. History is nice but not that relevant on car that is at least 16 years old .
 
I am not sure why people say things like "better handling" (not trying to pick on anyone [:)]) as they are basically the same car. The only major differences are the engine - 3.0 vs 3.2 and CIS injection vs Motronic - and the brakes - 20mm thick discs vs 24mm. There are some little trim, seats, steering wheel and ventilation differences on the inside, but that's about it.

The 3.2 ought to be faster but for whatever reason SCs often "feel" as fast. They have the same cams and basically the same shape torque curve so maybe its no wonder they feel very similar. 3.2s tend to have more of a "coming on cam" feel at 3500rpm, which is weird as they have nearly 200cc extra capacity, but may be because they have bigger intake runners. A lot of 3.2s don't have full throttle travel available and many also under deliver a little in horsepower. Comparing new vs new, the factory performance figures show that the 3.2 is faster in every measure, however the more options you add and the more weight you carry the less that performance gap becomes. Still, I maintain that a properly performing 3.2 - even the heavier G50 - should out perform an SC. Perhaps more importantly, the gap between these cars is now more about condition than whether they are 3.2s or SCs.

One clear difference is that an SC will be a little older and probably a little higher mileage. As they are (generally) a little cheaper they may be more likely to have been owned by someone with the Porsche dream but without the Porsche wallet to maintain it properly - but that concern could apply to any car in your price range.

Given you are after a classic, I would buy the best condition car you can find within the price range you have set. The differences in driving are not really enough to rule one or the other out.

HTH
Richard
 
Well done Carrera owners.....posted a similar message on the SC thread and still have no replies!! Thats one up to you lads on the helpfulness front. However, I feel that the performance is not really the be all and end all. I realise that at this age the ride and comfort will be somewhat dated (great ). But from what most of you are saying is that condition is key c/w hopefully some sensible mods already completed!! Thanks alot, and keep the tips coming

Db
 
One more thing, if it was me, I would be looking for the Carrera pressure fed tensioner update on any SC. Just another cost to add to an SC purchase if its not done already.

[:)] We are a helpful and friendly bunch here [:)]

PS - there is what looks like a very good 3.2 for sale in another thread on this board right now - £12,995
 
Yeh don't go near the SC forum what bunch of unhelpful T****** over there [8D]. My angle on this is a late 3.2 with a G50 should be a better buy than an early SC however it's all about condition with older cars, get a PPI that is vital from someone like Peter Morgan and do lots of research including test drives, the performance difference on the road won't be that great. Personally I think there is a lot to be said for the brain that runs the 3.2's injection as opposed to the slightly temperamental but bullet proof performance of the the CIS sysytem on the SC. If you look at SCs don't be put off by high mileage examples mine has 155,000 miles on the clock on the original engine and still goes like stink, don't be put off by cars without hydraulic tensioners , there is a move by tuners and engine buiders to fit original rather than hydraulic when replacing, that's certainly what I would do, of more concern may be the condition of the chain guides, better to buy and replace with stock IMHO. SCs are easy to maintain if you by a good one but 3.2 s are simple beasts too. For some reason 3.2s have a reputation of requiring top-end rebuids before 100,000 miles, I don't know why that should be unless it's workshops trying to make a fastbuck (god forbid). This is certainly not the case with SCs, 'if they don't smoke they aint broke'. SC or 3.2 they are both cracking drives which will give you 'smiles per mile' (I should be in advertising) every time you drive it.
 
Simple answer, they are both great cars. I have extensively driven both and I don't think I'd be so arrogant to say the Carrera is better. As RB says, they are basically the same cars but remember the Carrera is a later evolution so will arguably be better, more refined (whatever termonology you choose to use) than the SC simply by definition.

Externally, the Carrera has standard front driving lights in the lower valance and a 'cleaner' design rear wing. I personally prefer the Carrera wing on the narrow bodied car.

As for which to buy, that is down to condition and service/maintenance history. I've seen vastly better low milage SCs than Carreras and equally the opposite. As RB says, the 'Porsche Dream' does mean that many have been neglected so watch the DIY cars and you really do want the later tensioner modification.

I like the 915 box - more honest to the 911 package in my opinion - the G50 is much easier to use, but don't rule the SC out because of that.

Finally, the Carrera badge does stand out as does the fact that the Carrera was the last factory designated 911 .....

Put it this way, I'd rather have a good SC over a bad Carrera, but a good Carrera would be my preference. Have a breeze through my book for good measure .....
 
Well done Carrera owners.....posted a similar message on the SC thread and still have no replies!! Thats one up to you lads on the helpfulness front..... and keep the tips coming...
ORIGINAL: Bronco
What no replies within 24 hours - terrible. Here's a tip - not everyone is online daily... you'll need more patience than that in your search for your new car! [;)] Go for a Carrera .. the price of Sc's just went up (joke[8D])
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=147217
 
Best bet is to buy my very good condition 3.2 guards red 86.000 miler with history etc for under 11 and keep a grand for anything that comes up. Car is immac and pic's available if you're interested. Reason for sale is me being diagnosed with something nasty, so downsising UK and spending more time in Spain. Car is a brilliant buy, but has to go ASAP as I don't have a lot of time.
 
Hi Bronco, yes I did, and sent back pics and info. a while back. Please contact me direct if you didn't receive it.
 
I think you may find that most of the SC owners haven't owned a 3.2 yet as i think most people start with an SC and move up to a 3.2 later.

This certainly seems to be the case with people i know and is possibly the reason for the lack of response on the SC forum.
 

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