CAT D

[2QIC2C]

Hi guys, Initially I was after a 964 but have seen a couple of Cat D or C 993`s around. Assuming the seller has pics of the repair work being done on the car etc and it was done by a porsche approved bodyshop then what discount would you expect because of this status.

I know most will say there are enough good cars out there to be able to avoid getting a Cat car but if it means the difference between say a 993 turbo vs a 993 NB then is it worth it?

Appreciate any advice.

Thanks

 

[totyfinalist]

Well yes ,your right about a good selection of clean cars around ,But ,and this is the detail of it. It is much easier to write off a 15year old Porsche than it would have been when the car was much younger.This means their will be lots of cars around which have sustained significant damage in their lifetime that has been repaired to varying standards and will not figure on any register.Spotting these cars ranges from obvious to really difficult Does that make those cars better than a cat c or d example? In the eyes of a novice maybe but not to somebody who is buying on condition necessarily. A recent 993 write off may have fairly minor damage and be a far better and easier repair than the clean title car which was hit hard at 3 years old! You must buy cars of this age on condition alone . The current price of parts for older Porsches makes even light damage very expensive to repair. Add in to this the fact that all a catagory d or c means is that the insurance company did not want to proceed with the repair. Cat d is described as minor damage up to the market value of the car, Cat c is the same but exceeds the market value of the car and is recorded permanently on the v5. This will be according to the insurers valuation and repair estimate . Imports have no verifiable history before they arrive ,so very difficult to prove. Very few old Porsche's will be totally original ,so you must look carefully and buy on condition at the time.I have even heard of cars being written off because some of the parts required for the repair were no longer available or had an unacceptable delivery time,and even the owner stating that they don't want the car back .So the record on the register must be treated with interest rather than ruling it out completely. This also raises the question of restored cars which have had extensive ground up rebuilds. They could be just as bad as a poorly repaired damaged car sometimes a lot worse because they can get done by enthusiastic owners,not industry professionals.
Catagorisation is after all only an insurance marker against a car.

 

[Mark Elder]

All good points.

The "how much discount" is an interesting question. Assuming PPI checks out a basically good car, I suspect the "tarnish" of at C/D impacts the (otherwise) high value cars much more than the bottom end of the market. If a guy is obsessed by looking for a low mileage car and willing to pay top price to get it, he's likely to steer clear of a Cat D car. So someone try to sell, say, a low mileage S for £40K or so will have to massively discount it for a Cat D on the v5 - so (wild guess) - I'd say more than 30% discount. But a well used car, with a rash of stone chips, hacked about interior, no recent repairs and some dubious invoices, which might normally be on market for sub-£20K, might only lose 10% because of the addition of a Cat D badge. (all IMHO!)

Are there any recent Cat C/D buyers on here?

 

[2QIC2C]

Yeah i agree any benfit 9from investment standpoint) will be lost in gonig for a low mile 993 which is a Cat car but it will make it a cheap daily drive or car to enjoy without worrying about loosing the big premum every mile you add. There is a 993 S on pistonehads for low £20`s but i think thats quite high when you can get a good one for £30k. I guess the problem might come when i have to sell the car as they are not likely to increase in value.

Interesting point on the age of the cat car. I would have thought it was better to get one written off early in its life as then you can see there have been no problems since but you make a valid point re the damage early in life to now.

 

[Mark Elder]

ORIGINAL: 2QIC2C

..... I guess the problem might come when i have to sell the car as they are not likely to increase in value.

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I'm not sure it is a problem - you will have to sell it cheap, but you brought it cheap too. If anything a Cat C/D car has less far to fall in value so will depreciate less.

 

[jdpef356]

Is this the car in question?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2507700.htm

 

[2QIC2C]

ORIGINAL: jdpef356



Is this the car in question?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2507700.htm

yeah thats the one. I also like the Silver turbo at £33k but notice a few problems with the layout of the dash. The clock and oil gauge have been swapped around which makes me start to wonder what else "has been done". On the face of it though the 30k mile Turbo at 33k would be better value than £24k for an 80k S. also not a fan of that spoiler on the S but then i could aways change that. I know you can sink £3-4k in to these cars just bringing them up to scratch and am worried that if I have to do that I`m knocking on the door of £28k and there are some nice looking ones for £30k with similar miles (although I`m not really worried about miles, so long as the car is mechanically sound). I guess if i got it for £20k it could be a good buy assuming it went through a PPI with minimal points.

Thoughts?

 

[Mark Elder]

"there is no evidence of the repair"!!

I suppose he thinks this is good!

Totally get why you see these cars as well worth considering - prices are very tempting IF they really do check out as OK - I think you need to find out a lot more (indeed "evidence" of the repair[] ) then get a PPI done and make a judgement.

What does "on v car register" mean? (Cat C, or Cat D, or what?)

 

[jdpef356]

Im not a fan of that spoiler on the car nor is it the norm on the S model ie its not original [8|] However, you could specify something you liked at point of order and of course Porsche would supply at cost. Ask the owner to list all the option codes and that should give you some idea of what were the original fittings. The exhaust tips also look short compared with mine and others I have seen (check the number plate front and rear and you will probably find a different name on the back than that on the front ie rear Halfords and front ie Supplied by PC London - indication is then that the one number plate has changed because of damage to front or rear of the car. In this case due to things I have already mentioned I would say rear!
To spend 20 plus grand is fraught enough without putting yourself through the mill of not really knowing is your investment wise or fairly safe[:-]


Your walking on fire and you may get not only your feet but fingers burnt[]

 

[2QIC2C]

Thanks guys. Haven`t contacted the seller yet as i`ve just started my hunt and still at the "information gathering stage". I think I might be best to stick to a sorted 964 but it is tempting when you see 993 widebodies at low £20k`s.

 

[davidcross]

That silver turbo at 33 I enquired about and the answers coming back were so vague it's uber suspicious I thought

 

[Porker993]

I had a damaged repaired 964, which was not insurance listed, and the following problems arose.

1. It leaked water into the footwell and boot due to tiny gaps where front wing joined the body.
2. Filler/Ripples in drivers door/b pillar area where it had been hit
3. Washer system had not been reconnected properly and never worked
4. Difficult to sell.

I would be concerned about the straightness of the car - 993s are sensitive to suspension setup. Any bangs or forces to the shell could have a bad effect.

Prospective buyers have no assurance that problems will not occur down the line.

All in all, if you are a fussy owner (like me) I would move on and buy a good straight early car for that money.

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: 2QIC2C

Hi guys, Initially I was after a 964 but have seen a couple of Cat D or C 993`s around. Assuming the seller has pics of the repair work being done on the car etc and it was done by a porsche approved bodyshop then what discount would you expect because of this status.

I know most will say there are enough good cars out there to be able to avoid getting a Cat car but if it means the difference between say a 993 turbo vs a 993 NB then is it worth it?

Appreciate any advice.

Thanks

Thought prices were similar ... a lot of 993 round 964 money with some exceptions, so you want an exceptional 993 Cat D .... []

 

[2QIC2C]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

ORIGINAL: 2QIC2C

Hi guys, Initially I was after a 964 but have seen a couple of Cat D or C 993`s around. Assuming the seller has pics of the repair work being done on the car etc and it was done by a porsche approved bodyshop then what discount would you expect because of this status.

I know most will say there are enough good cars out there to be able to avoid getting a Cat car but if it means the difference between say a 993 turbo vs a 993 NB then is it worth it?

Appreciate any advice.

Thanks

Thought prices were similar ... a lot of 993 round 964 money with some exceptions, so you want an exceptional 993 Cat D .... []

Not quite sure i follow your post.

Actually I dont want an exceptional Cat D 993. I initially wanted a 964 but then started to see a few widebody 993`s which potentially I could stretch my budget to so wanted to see what people thoughts were as to whether they are no go zones, that was all.

 

[carreraboy]

Sorry understand .... decent C2S 30K decent C4S £35k ... so a cat D low twenties tempting ...... depends on how it was cat'd .... [8|]

 

[jdpef356]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Sorry understand .... decent C2S 30K decent C4S £35k ... so a cat D low twenties tempting ...... depends on how it was cat'd .... [8|]

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