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Center Gravity - thankyou AGAIN

Alex L

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After all the potholes recently my Turbo just didn't feel right going round corners and at high speeds in a straight line. Around corners it felt like I was dragging my rear right tyre and on straight motorways it felt like I was driving through swirling cross winds. Sharp corners just felt like lots of understeer and all wobbly.

Anyway, I took my car to a 'local' tyre fitter and they did a quick geo. They showed that the right side front tyre was low on camber and right rear too much toe. So given they couldn't adjust cambers I tried calling round for people that could. Center Gravity were busy for a couple of months, Parr couldn't see me for 2-3 weeks, neither could JZ Machtech. I rang my OPC and they said their machine couldn't handle anything apart from factory geometry settings (which I don't have) - I am 99% certain that this was a made up excuse as if they have tools for measuring and tools for adjusting then they should be able to do ANY target geometry. So in the end I reluctantly joined the Center Gravity waiting list.

I then received a call from Jayne last week saying they had a cancellation and could fit me in. So I drove the car up yesterday (fighting it all the way up the M40). After arriving I was pleasantly surprised to see that they have renovated. Now there is a customer lounge, viewing gallery and en-suite bathroom. Very swish!

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Chris immediately started his measurements and found that although the local tyre dealer report was way out on the accuracy the toe and the cambers were indeed quite knocked out. He checked tyre pressures and temperatures, all the wheels for buckling, all the suspension components, and a general check under the car. Chris even cleaned out the front spoiler for leaves and rubbish.

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We found 2 additional worrying things. Firstly the front radiator was leaking coolant - you could smell it and see the pink residue where it had been leaking out. Also the reservoir in the engine bay was below min level. So a trip to my OPC is required next week. Secondly the front right dampener had some oil leaking from it:

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Chris has sent a picture off to Bilstein to get their opinion on whether some leaking is normal. If not then they will be replaced under warranty. So I might be back again in a few weeks time.

Anyway, after Chris had reset my geometry to my old tried and trusted settings we took the car out for a test run. We achieved 30mph on his test roundabout (32 is the record I think in a GT3RS with slick tyres) and everything we threw at the car then felt like it was glued to the ground. HUGE difference.

So once again I need to thank Center Gravity for a brilliant job. Every car whether old or brand new seems to come alive after he has worked his magic. I often get asked by fellow PCGB members whether new cars without suspension mods would benefit from a visit to see Chris. The answer is most certainly YES, you would be amazed at the difference. You can make the car really feel planted at high speeds, tramline less on uneven roads, corner like on rails, have less understeer, etc etc ... whatever you want! **for brand new cars though it's best to wait a few thousand miles for the suspension to settle first as this affects camber and toe naturally, then you can make changes that will last.

Seriously the best money you can spend on any Porsche, old or new - and without invalidating any factory warranty either.
 
ORIGINAL: Alex L
After arriving I was pleasantly surprised to see that they have renovated. Now there is a customer lounge, viewing gallery and en-suite bathroom. Very swish!
I also see a new ramp for the doing the setups on...
Its good to see Chris investing in the new kit and refinements...[:)]
ORIGINAL:Alex L
Firstly the front radiator was leaking coolant - you could smell it and see the pink residue where it had been leaking out.
Mine also Ale OSF, its in next week, I could smell it and it was spotted by Exeter last week- just my local OPC couldn't get me in for a couple of weeks [:mad:]

Glad its all sorted so we can let you back into the photo lineups [;)]

garyw

 
A couple of hundred quid for half a day normally. About what you'd pay at an OPC or other Porsche tuner I think. Very reasonable hourly rates. You'd have to give Jayne a call for an exact quote. Contact details are here: http://www.centergravity.co.uk/contacts.cfm

I know lowndes (Nick) is taking his 996 GT3 up there soon and has booked out a full day to try out various configurations with Chris. You can spend the time as interactive as you wish as Chris goes through the process. Learning about your suspension is certainly half of the experience.
 
Alex,

There's a drop of oil on the brake calliper too!

I see the roll bar is on soft setting. What do you have at the front - medium?

Regards,

Clive
 
I didn't notice that, thanks Clive. Will investigate further. I am running soft sways at the front and medium stiffness at the rear. I could go to full stiffness rear to reduce front understeer but I think that's better for track.
 
Lots of people on PCGB have been to see Chris on multiple occasions, myself included.
I totally agree with your comments Alex, totally transforms the car to razor sharp handling. Easily the best money you can spend on the car.
 
Quite right Alex, I'm booked in for Wednesday this week and will report back on here, assuming the powers that be accept that despite my post featuring an old model the thread is about Center Gravity!

Not sure about 30mph round a roundabout...must check my insurance!

Cheers

Nick
 
Just to add to everyone else's comments here.

I went to Centre Gravity and it transformed the car - had been on a run with Alex and Gary and both noticed the car was really bouncing around at the back, making it almost undriveable on really nagety back roads.

Took it to CG, found the problem - at 18k miles the supsension had settled so much the cambers and toe-ins were way outside recommended settings - so much so at the rear it was generating significant sideways motion under comporession. Once fixed and set up for my presonal driving style I found the car transformed - so much sharper and so much more planted on a typical UK road.

He aslo recommended once I upped the power some more to go to the GT3 sway bars. Which I have since done, again making a significnat improvement in overall handling.

Top Bloke
 
I think I would be inclined, myself, to medium or hard front and soft rear, but then again I like mine twitchy. [8|]
 
ORIGINAL: Lancerlot

I think I would be inclined, myself, to medium or hard front and soft rear, but then again I like mine twitchy. [8|]
Sounds like a good combination in more ways than one Clive![:D]
 
ORIGINAL: Lancerlot

I think I would be inclined, myself, to medium or hard front and soft rear, but then again I like mine twitchy. [8|]

Clive, the stiffer you make the sways on one end of the car, the more grip the OTHER end of the car has. So stiffening the fronts makes the rear tyres have more grip, and stiffening the rears makes the fronts have more grip (less understeer). I am sure you know this, but I can't think of a scenario with a 911 (where all the weight is over the rear giving that end plenty of grip already) why you'd ever want to stiffen the front sways. The guys that race 911s all have stiff rear, soft front sways eg. GMG where I got my sways from.

Softer sways also allow more twist, so more compliance over rough terrain - which is why I changed my fronts from medium to soft. GMG soft setting is still stiffer than OEM sways though.
 
Just a quick note on my visit to CG.

Arrived at 8.30 on Wednesday morning. Tea, choccy biscuits and a preliminary discussion about what I was looking to achieve then out for a test run with Chris driving to assess what he was dealing with.

After working on the car all day, by 7.00pm Chris had only just done the first iterration of corner weighting, so kindly lent me the courtesy car to drive home in. I arrived back at the workshop on Thursday afternoon just as he was coming in from a test drive. Still not satisfied Chris made further adjustments, re ran all of the alignments and about 4.30pm we set of for another test. He took it first over his regular route of bumps, roundabouts, camber, cross fall, cat's eyes and fast twisty road. He then handed over to me.

The change in character was astonishing. What had been agitated, lairy and clenching was now precise, compliant and relaxing. The same Fast sweeping A road and bumpy B roads that we had run the previous morning were now being taken comfortably 20-25mph faster than before. And it was now raining whereas the previous day had been dry.

A meticulous, thorough, painstaking and utterly professional perfectionist, Chris Franklin at Center Gravity provides the Gold Standard. At the same time along with Jayne he is a pleasure to deal with. It is difficult to think of a better way of spending money on a car.

Cheers

Nick



 
Well done, Nick.

Should give you a fighting chance of keeping up with Gary on the 997 outings now then! [:D]

Does he do Fezzas, do you know? [8|]

Regards,

Clive
 

ORIGINAL: Lancerlot

I think I would be inclined, myself, to medium or hard front and soft rear, but then again I like mine twitchy. [8|]

We are still talking about cars aren't we?
 
ORIGINAL: Lancerlot

Well done, Nick.

Should give you a fighting chance of keeping up with Gary on the 997 outings now then! [:D]

Does he do Fezzas, do you know? [8|]

Regards,

Clive

Clive, I am sure he's done a few Ferraris yes. A picture of a 550 on his wall springs to mind.
 
Clive

Just to clear up a tiny detail, it was the GT3 that went to Chris not the turbo. As far as I can tell the turbo is running true just now though it had crossed my mind it might be worth treating it to a half day at Atherstone when time permits.

As for days out with the register, I am well aware of my limitations and need all the electrickery systems I can muster switched to ON, so only the turbo would do it!

Cheers

Nick
 
ORIGINAL: lowndes

A meticulous, thorough, painstaking and utterly professional perfectionist, Chris Franklin at Center Gravity provides the Gold Standard. At the same time along with Jayne he is a pleasure to deal with. It is difficult to think of a better way of spending money on a car.

Cheers

Nick

Yup, it's rather profound isn't it the handling difference between a slightly mis-aligned car and one that's had the CG treatment!

You'll be up there with your gen2 Turbo soon (and F430) no doubt [:)]
 
ORIGINAL: lowndes

Just a quick note on my visit to CG.

Arrived at 8.30 on Wednesday morning. Tea, choccy biscuits and a preliminary discussion about what I was looking to achieve then out for a test run with Chris driving to assess what he was dealing with.

After working on the car all day, by 7.00pm Chris had only just done the first iterration of corner weighting, so kindly lent me the courtesy car to drive home in. I arrived back at the workshop on Thursday afternoon just as he was coming in from a test drive. Still not satisfied Chris made further adjustments, re ran all of the alignments and about 4.30pm we set of for another test. He took it first over his regular route of bumps, roundabouts, camber, cross fall, cat's eyes and fast twisty road. He then handed over to me.

The change in character was astonishing. What had been agitated, lairy and clenching was now precise, compliant and relaxing. The same Fast sweeping A road and bumpy B roads that we had run the previous morning were now being taken comfortably 20-25mph faster than before. And it was now raining whereas the previous day had been dry.

A meticulous, thorough, painstaking and utterly professional perfectionist, Chris Franklin at Center Gravity provides the Gold Standard. At the same time along with Jayne he is a pleasure to deal with. It is difficult to think of a better way of spending money on a car.

Cheers

Nick

+1.

I can't reccommend Chris and Jayne highly enough. I had B16 Damptronics fitted to my last car ('05 C2S) by Chris and the results were simply staggering. He then worked with me to tweak the geo until it perfectly suited my driving style (somewhere between 'imprecise' and 'talentless'....)! The steering 'feel', turn-in, lateral grip, traction, resistance to bump steer, body control and lack of body roll were all in a different league.

Chris has an uncanny ability to assess a car's handling - he was able to tell me just from a test drive (and in advance of making any measurements) exactly what was wrong with my car and was proven totally correct once the Beissbarth gear was attached. He was also able to make just the right adjustments to get the car to do exactly what I wanted - I never realised just what a huge difference even small adjustments to cambers and toe can make to the overall feel of a car.

This knowledge and ability together with a friendly, professional manner, absolute attention to detail and huge enthusiasm make Center Gravity a no-brainer if you need anything doing to the suspension/handling of your cars. Very definitely worth the wait.

I'm off to see Chris and Jayne again later this month to have the geo sorted on my new car (2010 997S.2 PDK). The steering feels really dead compared to my old car and I'm hoping some Franklin magic will sort it.

 

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