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Black80XSA
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marlin
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Absolute nonsense, they are the best thing that has happened to modern motoring for years. I would not buy a performance car that did not have them fitted. Drive a Turbo with them fitted then one without, the weight saving at each corner is enough for me to tick the option box.ORIGINAL: Black80XSA The Cayman has the second generation of PCCB (ceramic brakes) - they are a lot more reliable and have longer life than the previous versions, which were prone to chipping if hit by road debris or stones ina gravel trap on a trackday. They offer better braking than steel brakes over extended periods. When new the option box tick would have cost around £5,5k Replacement discs are around £1k per corner. A lot of 996 / 997 track day users swapped the ceramic brakes back to steel, for fear of the cost of replacing them, only putting the ceramics back on for resale. There are reports of very good service life from the newer version, search the Carrera Gt section for a recent running report to get a feel for them. Would i buy a car with them fitted ?? - No. For me there are too many unknowns with them for long term ownership, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the steel brakes. then again, if you buy the car and you do have issues then you can always go back to steel discs. 2 years ago i was interested in the 987S demo in OPC Reading which had them fitted - the sales guy told me they lost more than their option price the day the car was registered, they were a liability come resale.
Would this apply to normal daily road use driving or just track day jollies? These days the standard brakes on modern performance cars never seem to come in for any stick from any journo's who certainly thrash there press loan cars to within an inch of there life and often remark how excellent the brakes actually are [&o]ORIGINAL: marlin Absolute nonsense, they are the best thing that has happened to modern motoring for years. I would not buy a performance car that did not have them fitted. Drive a Turbo with them fitted then one without, the weight saving at each corner is enough for me to tick the option box.
Black80XSA
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On a turbo then i'd have no qualms about buying a car with them fitted, after all its a 200mph car. On a Cayman or a Boxster then i'd still agree with the view from Reading OPC even 3 years on - their demo had been for sale for 3 months when i enquired, and was still there for several months after. Given i wanted a more sporty than standard spec the sales guy could have easily convinced me there were worthwhile option and good buy on their used car. I've driven Boxsters with and without PCCB, on road and track - yes there is a small difference in handling due to the unsprung mass, there is slightly different pedal feel and there is less drop off in performance when used very hard on track. However the average used Cayman/Boxster owner is going to be spending £25-40k for their car, so the replacement costs of the brakes is out of proprortion with their budget IMO. Spend 60-70k on a used Turbo and they are acceptable running costs for the cost of the car. Use them as a bargaining tool to get the price to one at, or below, a similar car with steel brakes and use them til they become and issue - then decide whether to pay out or revert to steel.ORIGINAL: marlinAbsolute nonsense, they are the best thing that has happened to modern motoring for years. I would not buy a performance car that did not have them fitted. Drive a Turbo with them fitted then one without, the weight saving at each corner is enough for me to tick the option box.ORIGINAL: Black80XSA The Cayman has the second generation of PCCB (ceramic brakes) - they are a lot more reliable and have longer life than the previous versions, which were prone to chipping if hit by road debris or stones ina gravel trap on a trackday. They offer better braking than steel brakes over extended periods. When new the option box tick would have cost around £5,5k Replacement discs are around £1k per corner. A lot of 996 / 997 track day users swapped the ceramic brakes back to steel, for fear of the cost of replacing them, only putting the ceramics back on for resale. There are reports of very good service life from the newer version, search the Carrera Gt section for a recent running report to get a feel for them. Would i buy a car with them fitted ?? - No. For me there are too many unknowns with them for long term ownership, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the steel brakes. then again, if you buy the car and you do have issues then you can always go back to steel discs. 2 years ago i was interested in the 987S demo in OPC Reading which had them fitted - the sales guy told me they lost more than their option price the day the car was registered, they were a liability come resale.
marlin
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Point takenORIGINAL: Black80XSAOn a turbo then i'd have no qualms about buying a car with them fitted, after all its a 200mph car. On a Cayman or a Boxster then i'd still agree with the view from Reading OPC even 3 years on - their demo had been for sale for 3 months when i enquired, and was still there for several months after. Given i wanted a more sporty than standard spec the sales guy could have easily convinced me there were worthwhile option and good buy on their used car. I've driven Boxsters with and without PCCB, on road and track - yes there is a small difference in handling due to the unsprung mass, there is slightly different pedal feel and there is less drop off in performance when used very hard on track. However the average used Cayman/Boxster owner is going to be spending £25-40k for their car, so the replacement costs of the brakes is out of proprortion with their budget IMO. Spend 60-70k on a used Turbo and they are acceptable running costs for the cost of the car. Use them as a bargaining tool to get the price to one at, or below, a similar car with steel brakes and use them til they become and issue - then decide whether to pay out or revert to steel.ORIGINAL: marlinAbsolute nonsense, they are the best thing that has happened to modern motoring for years. I would not buy a performance car that did not have them fitted. Drive a Turbo with them fitted then one without, the weight saving at each corner is enough for me to tick the option box.ORIGINAL: Black80XSA The Cayman has the second generation of PCCB (ceramic brakes) - they are a lot more reliable and have longer life than the previous versions, which were prone to chipping if hit by road debris or stones ina gravel trap on a trackday. They offer better braking than steel brakes over extended periods. When new the option box tick would have cost around £5,5k Replacement discs are around £1k per corner. A lot of 996 / 997 track day users swapped the ceramic brakes back to steel, for fear of the cost of replacing them, only putting the ceramics back on for resale. There are reports of very good service life from the newer version, search the Carrera Gt section for a recent running report to get a feel for them. Would i buy a car with them fitted ?? - No. For me there are too many unknowns with them for long term ownership, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the steel brakes. then again, if you buy the car and you do have issues then you can always go back to steel discs. 2 years ago i was interested in the 987S demo in OPC Reading which had them fitted - the sales guy told me they lost more than their option price the day the car was registered, they were a liability come resale.
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