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Check your 997's country code

Grant

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LOOKING TO BUY A NEW 997 (0R 996's, Boxters etc come to that) you need to ask yourself Is it C16 Uk specification-........................................ many of the web regulars will know this , but for those that don't.
The 997 is clearly going to be popular with demand outstripping UK supply & long waiting times likely (unless you want to pay a premium) it is likely that some garages and individuals will be selling imported new rhd cars from the continent. Porsche GMBH builds rhd cars for many different markets (e.g. South Africa, Cyprus, Australia etc.) and the standard specifications vary for each country. So the standard spec. for another country may not include full leather or air-con and the under seal may be different, the alarm specifications may also vary as will the radio etc. Each country that the car is built for at the Porsche factory is given a code and the UK code is C16, this means the car was built at the factory to the full UK specification. An example of another C code that appears regularly in the UK is C98 (non specific country rhd build). Although many sellers claim to have "upgraded" these cars to full Uk spec, the problem is it is very hard to know if this is the case and Porsche are very cagey about confirming exactly what the differences in spec are. So you may end up without a top tinted screen or the correct stereo, or you may find air con and full leather missing. On the other hand the car may have been specified to be exactly as per UK cars, the point is it's very hard to be sure & this affects the cars value and your peace of mind (note: most OPC's won't buy non C16's). So before travelling to look at a car, it's probably better to check with the owner/independent that it is a C16 car, they can find the code either on the VIL sticker on page 4 of their service book or on a sticker under the boot. Here you will find the VIN, engine code (etc) and also all the option codes that are fitted to the car, the very first option code is the country build, this is then followed by a host of other codes confirming what extras the car had included when new (e.g. 476 is PSM & 030 is sports suspension). If the car isn't C16 then it's probably better not to go any further, unless you are prepared to suffer greater depreciation or the car is very well priced and you are prepared to do some serious checking, also be aware that you are likely to pay a higher insurance premium for imported cars which don't match Uk spec. Once you have established that the car is C16 you will want to know whether it was "officially" imported by Porsche GB & UK supplied by the Official Porsche Network. You can find out (if the owner isn't sure) by checking the supplying dealer stamp on page 4 of the service book or providing the Vin number to Porsche HQ who can confirm all UK cars history.
If it isn't an OPC supplied car (but still C16) then you will want the continental Porsche dealers number/email to verify it was imported from them brand new direct to the UK, again you should find the foreign OPC's official stamp at the front of the service book, if it was officially supplied. Unofficial C16's are still desirable, but can be worth slightly less than official cars.
Some RHD country codes
C16-Uk
C18- japan
C26 - South Africa
C23- Australia
C98- non-specific RHD production, there are many others, let me know if you need one checking.

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they can find the code either on the VIL sticker on page 4 of their service book or on a sticker under the boot. Here you will find the VIN, engine code (etc) and also all the option codes that are fitted to the car, the very first option code is the country build,

It is not as simple as you think.

I have a MY2000 2.7 Boxster ordered from and delivered to Dick Lovett Porsche Bristol and it doesn't say C16 anywhere. The first option listed is 030 (Sports suspension).

JCB..
 
There is another point that is also important to understand.

Although an 'unofficial' UK spec. (C16) import is, obviously, covered by the initial worldwide factory warranty, do not expect to get the same level of goodwill and support from the UK OPC network and Porsche Cars GB if you encounter a 'sale of goods' dispute or 'out of warranty' problems.
 
John,
your car is very unusual the vast majority of cars come with the country code as the first number on the options list. Clearly if some one can't find a country code on the car they are considering, further investigation is required. but this will be a very rare occurance!
John I did email you at the club Boxter address, if you can give me your VIN (not on line obviously) I would like to do some digging around to see if we can nail the issue!!
 
Grant

As you are very much "incognito" I can not contact you other than via this board.

JCB..
 
Sorry John,
just haven't got around to sorting my profile info. properly.
I did email you at the official PCGB Boxter email address, but have now sent direct via your profile.
Cheers
Grant
 
ORIGINAL: Grant

LOOKING TO BUY A NEW 997 (0R 996's, Boxters etc come to that) you need to ask yourself Is it C16 Uk specification-........................................ many of the web regulars will know this , but for those that don't.
The 997 is clearly going to be popular with demand outstripping UK supply & long waiting times likely (unless you want to pay a premium) it is likely that some garages and individuals will be selling imported new rhd cars from the continent. Porsche GMBH builds rhd cars for many different markets (e.g. South Africa, Cyprus, Australia etc.) and the standard specifications vary for each country. So the standard spec. for another country may not include full leather or air-con and the under seal may be different, the alarm specifications may also vary as will the radio etc. Each country that the car is built for at the Porsche factory is given a code and the UK code is C16, this means the car was built at the factory to the full UK specification. An example of another C code that appears regularly in the UK is C98 (non specific country rhd build). Although many sellers claim to have "upgraded" these cars to full Uk spec, the problem is it is very hard to know if this is the case and Porsche are very cagey about confirming exactly what the differences in spec are. So you may end up without a top tinted screen or the correct stereo, or you may find air con and full leather missing. On the other hand the car may have been specified to be exactly as per UK cars, the point is it's very hard to be sure & this affects the cars value and your peace of mind (note: most OPC's won't buy non C16's). So before travelling to look at a car, it's probably better to check with the owner/independent that it is a C16 car, they can find the code either on the VIL sticker on page 4 of their service book or on a sticker under the boot. Here you will find the VIN, engine code (etc) and also all the option codes that are fitted to the car, the very first option code is the country build, this is then followed by a host of other codes confirming what extras the car had included when new (e.g. 476 is PSM & 030 is sports suspension). If the car isn't C16 then it's probably better not to go any further, unless you are prepared to suffer greater depreciation or the car is very well priced and you are prepared to do some serious checking, also be aware that you are likely to pay a higher insurance premium for imported cars which don't match Uk spec. Once you have established that the car is C16 you will want to know whether it was "officially" imported by Porsche GB & UK supplied by the Official Porsche Network. You can find out (if the owner isn't sure) by checking the supplying dealer stamp on page 4 of the service book or providing the Vin number to Porsche HQ who can confirm all UK cars history.
If it isn't an OPC supplied car (but still C16) then you will want the continental Porsche dealers number/email to verify it was imported from them brand new direct to the UK, again you should find the foreign OPC's official stamp at the front of the service book, if it was officially supplied. Unofficial C16's are still desirable, but can be worth slightly less than official cars.
Some RHD country codes
C16-Uk
C18- japan
C26 - South Africa
C23- Australia
C98- non-specific RHD production, there are many others, let me know if you need one checking.

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Grant,

all Cyprus-sourced Porsches that are subsequently exported to the UK (about 120 vehicles a year) are C98 coded, however they are ordered with all UK-spec options and extras so as to make them more marketable and easier to sell.

Best regards

Emilios
 
Emilios,

That sounds interesting.
Does that include UK specification corrosion protection, thatcham spec alarm system, UK spec emmisions controls etc? How would one know?

Mark
 
Mark,

I can try and find out for you, however, as far as I know emissions controls and corrosion protection on the 997 is the same at least across europe.

Best regards

Emilios
 
In reply to your question, the answer is yes. Both 996 that I have had, (The "new" C2 and current Turbo) were Cyprus imports and supplied to me by the local OPC. According to them C16 and C98 are the only codes that UK OPC's will sell through their network as official OPC cars
 
Of course you can buy a car that isn't C16 & specify it at the factory to Uk specification, but the point is how do you know a third party has done this properly (UNLESS IT IS AN OFFICIAL OPC as with Gaxor, although this suprises me, which one is it?!), because Porsche are very coy about specifying the exact Uk spec & country variants/differences.
I am sorry but this DOES affect it's value. There have been a large number of C98 cars sold in the UK (mainly by a dealer in Milton Keynes & London, which is now defunct) but it is not just the issue of spceification, insurance is also an issue. If it wasn't built to full Uk spec. you have to notify your insurance or it is invalid, they will generally charge more & you will also have to visit your OPC in order to get a certificate for the alarm system stating that it up to Thatcham standards, again if you don't you aren't properly insured!
Most OPC's will NOT buy C98's although some will, this is not to say that they aren't proper genuine Porsches, just that unless you pay a fair bit less for the car & are prepared to do more research, then you are best with a C16 car!!
 
If it wasn't built to full Uk spec. you have to notify your insurance or it is invalid,

Where and when does anyone ask whether or not your car is full UK spec when buying insurance or is this peculiar to non C16 Porsche cars?

For insurance purposes surely it just has to pass MOT requirements such as rear fog lights and side indicator repeaters.

JCB (MY2000 UK OPC ordered and delivered Non C16 2.7 Boxster)
 
I recently called around for insurance and the majority of companies asked "is it modified, is it imported, is it standard uk spec .........".

Common question in my experience.
 

ORIGINAL: JCB..
Where and when does anyone ask whether or not your car is full UK spec when buying insurance or is this peculiar to non C16 Porsche cars?
For insurance purposes surely it just has to pass MOT requirements such as rear fog lights and side indicator repeaters.
JCB (MY2000 UK OPC ordered and delivered Non C16 2.7 Boxster)

Yoda is right, sadly John you know insurance companies & "get out clauses", if your car is OPC supplied & they can confirm that it is to full Uk specification, then you shouldn't have a problem.
The insurance angle is..... if they can't be sure the alarm is Thatcham cat 1 "your usually not covered". As most quote's are based on a UK specification car, you need to make them aware if it isn't, just as a silly example lets say that a Boxster built for Japan didn't have ABS & pumped out 500 bhp (clearly not the case!!), they would want to rate it differently or maybe not insure it at all, so they are asking for clarification of the imported car spec. compared to Uk spec. in order to be sure cover is agreed! Of course if the car is EEC built there are less issue's, but they still need to be told if it isn't Uk spec. better safe than sorry with insurance cover, I say!
 
I recently called around for insurance and the majority of companies asked "is it modified, is it imported, is it standard uk spec .........".

Common question in my experience

I'll agree on "is it modified" but I've been insuring vehicles for 34 years and never been asked "is it standard uk spec"

JCB..
 
ORIGINAL: JCB..

I recently called around for insurance and the majority of companies asked "is it modified, is it imported, is it standard uk spec .........".
Common question in my experience
I'll agree on "is it modified" but I've been insuring vehicles for 34 years and never been asked "is it standard uk spec"
JCB..

Insuring cars for 34 years, blimey your that old John!!!

As with Yoda most I speak to also ask if it's a Uk car, honest!

 
I've been asked if it is an import before. Not every time, but certain Japanese cars are more likely, so for these you are quite likely to be asked.
Of course the insurance people have the get out that you are supposed to diclose all material facts that could affect their decision to insure your vehicle. The onus is on you to be open. I don't 100% trust them, so I'm with Grant in that I do not give them any room to wriggle out anything.
I think I was asked with the C4S if it was UK sourced, but the TT they did not ask, since I got them to send the certificate to the delaer so I could get it taxed.
 
Interesting story this re is car standard uk spec Surely if you want to be pedantic any option added to a car could be deemed to be "non standard" therefore not standard UK spec
 

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