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Clutch problems.

FLAT-SIXY

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My Clutch is defo on it's way out, not bad considering I have not yet had to replace it after 5 years of ownership and 25 thousend miles.
Im considering sourcing the parts my self, and was wondering what aplication's are worth considering. While im changing the clutch is it worth changing the flywheel for a performance one, if so what do you sugest. Id be interested in spending more on aftermarket products and getting more, rather than paying through the nose at Porsche. All sugestion's appreciated. cheers, Neil.
 
Hi

If you are changing the flywheel for a lightweight performance one at the same time it is worth noting that this can cause idling problems and stalling as the standard dual mass flywheel is much heavier by comparison - benefits are obviously faster acceleration due to the reduced mass of the flywheel - but you will probably need to get the ECU chip remapped once the performance clutch and lightweight flywheel are fitted to deal with the change in rotating mass.

Definitely worth changing the Clutch and Flywheel at the same time though due to the work involved.
 
In other words - don't fiddle about with aircooled perfection.Leave that to the kettle mob, who, to be fair, had an inferior product to start with [:D]

JohnC
993turbo
 
if you source the parts yourself do not even consider anything other then a genuine clutch kit ,Without doubt ,we have been asked to fit all manner of aftermarket clutches to all models of 993 including o.e sachs kits etc from euro car parts and the like and whilst they may offer a good saving over the genuine porsche product (i think 600 plus vat retail at the moment) None of them, have the correct pedal feel./pressure,mostly they are too light with no progressive action to them They are not nice to use. .It is a total false economy unless you are about to sell the car!.We have over the years fitted turbo pressure/plates to n/aspirated cars when the owner has requested (power upgrades in mind)Btw only the pressure plate is different on a turbo.
The important bit seems to be the pressure plate and although the sachs item was oe it obviously is not made to the same spec as the genuine porsche branded item.Currently the friction plate seems to have AP stamped on it ,but made in italy,so it seems sachs are not the prefered supplier at the moment. If you go the single mass flywheel route you will have to buy the parts individually (the pressure plate is the same as the std dual mass set up) you can save some money buy getting some of the parts from euro,but make sure you get a genuine pressure plate if nothing else.
lwflywheel parts required are 1 the flywheel,2 the ring gear,3 the friction plate (with damping springs ,not solid like the std item)4 the release bearing,5 the release bearing guide sleeve,6 flywheel bolts,7 clutch bolts,8 the pressure plate.
Most varioram cars get away with the flywheel without the remap ,early cars almost allways dont.. The lwflywheel is extra noisey on a 4wd car and is not recommended for these models unless you really are a driver and want the last ounce of power, as it really spoils the 4wd cars at low revs/speed with excessive transmission resonance.

on the changing of the dual mass flywheel note ,the std 993 item rarely goes wrong, so i wouldnt unless it was faulty at the time.Also removing the gearbox is not such a big job on a 993 so if it failed later, it wont be a total disaster.
 
A Big thankyou for the comments ive received so far, but "COME ON FELLAS"[&:] only 2 good reply's?, there must be some more 993 owners out there with experience of having a clutch change. How long does it generally take? how much is an OPC clutch kit?
Ive owned the car for 5 years, but in this area im a complete novice, because ive never had one changed before.

Remember the answers are for all PCGB members benefit, not just mine.

More fellas, more.

Thankyou[;)]
 
From looking at your original post I assumed you were planning to do the work yourself and, as a result, were looking for advice/comments from 993 users who'd done the same.

I've had my clutch changed twice (once by an OPC and once by an Indy - same technician as it happens!) and have never changed it myself. If most 993 users are the same (ie had the clutch changed by a garage) that might explain why you've not had much feedback.

Kind regards
Anton
 
Not much help on the DIY front I'm afraid. Had clutch done by my Indie. I asked about the lightweight flywheel - not from a performance POV but simply to avoid the cost of replacing it in the future, their answer was 'don't bother' as I don't take it on track days and unless you get a proper remap it'll be more hassle than it's worth. Since they'd have charged more for a lightweight plus no doubt a cut from the remap by ChipWizards, I think their advice is genuine.
 

ORIGINAL: szklarek

From looking at your original post I assumed you were planning to do the work yourself and, as a result, were looking for advice/comments from 993 users who'd done the same.

I've had my clutch changed twice (once by an OPC and once by an Indy - same technician as it happens!) and have never changed it myself. If most 993 users are the same (ie had the clutch changed by a garage) that might explain why you've not had much feedback.

Kind regards
Anton

Sorry if my original post was a bit vauge, im after experiences with all maner of clutch changes for the 993. Experience with Official porsche parts/non official porsche parts,+ porsche centre vs an indie, with regards to cost. I could not see any article's on the technical article's area, and felt the subject needed to be discussed.
 
I'm away from my office at the moment and therefore haven't got access to my repair invoices to check the costs of my last clutch replacement. Also the independent that I use (Northway's) recently put their labour rates up so I guess the cost of 12 months ago isn't really relevant anymore!

Clutch replacements are a fairly common occurence so you ought to be able to get some quotes very quickly. Why not fire off an email to your local OPC and the nearest indies and ask for quotes - ask them to break down the costs between parts and labour (and VAT which often seems to get left off until you come to pay!)? That will at least give you a handle on costs.

Regarding independent vs OPC - as I mentioned, the first time I had my clutch replaced (a good few years ago) the work was done at Reading OPC (where I'd bought the car secondhand) - no problems with the work but it was very expensive (don't recall the exact cost as it was included in other work - £5K in total) . The second replacement (early last year) was done by Northway's (who have been servicing the car for many years) - (as always) no problems and I was happy with the cost (from memory, as I can't check the invoice, £1K->1.5k all in). As I mentioned the same technician changed both clutches.

Regarding Porsche parts vs others - personally I've always had Porsche parts fitted and wouldn't risk any others. I've also found it easier to get Northway's to source any Porsche parts for me - just personal choice and I prefer to get any garage to do the whole job.

So in summary my vote's for an independent to fit Porsche parts.

Hope the above helps - certainly emailing for quotes should help.

Kind regards
Anton
 
Many thanks, just received a quote from RPM in beds, £1175.00 inc parts/labour/VAT.
VS a local OPC which I was quoted over the phone near on an extera £1000.00 for the pleasure.
Gona shop around for more quotes, but I think the indies a no brainer really.[;)]
 
That quote looks about right - you probably won't, realistically, be able to trim much off that and still get a good job done. I'd just make sure you're getting Porsche parts and perhaps ask if any other posters have experience of that indy - Porsche parts + a good indy = a happy 993 owner!

Also ask them to check the main bearing oil seal whilst they're changing the clutch - it's pretty easy to change once you've got to the clutch and, depending on how much the car is driven, it can leak (and of course mess up your new clutch!). Ask your indy for a quote to change that at the same time (if needed) and I think you'll find it's not a great deal of money.

Kind regards
Anton
 
Hi,

If you fancy trying it yourself check out my post a few pages back titled "Engines Coming Out". If you are reasonably proficient as a mechanic it is not too difficult a job once you have freed up any stuck fasteners but is definately much easier with two people. Anticipate aday to take the engine out and about the same to put it back in. I now use only geniune Porsche parts except items like HT leads (Beru) and Dizzy parts (Bosch) that I have found to be the same as genuine, my advice on the clutch is fit the Porsche product.

You can also check out my photos at this link which may help.

http://s917.photobucket.com/albums/ad16/AndyBAcesHigh/Porsche%20Engine/

Andy B.
 

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